Martial Law

[CroiDhubh]

What if we didn't live in a country where we're free to vote in the politicians that pass the laws that cause some of the above things to happen? The people of MA are by and large very liberal and mostly agree with the gun laws and such. Are you saying they shouldn't be allowed to live as they choose? Isn't that the point of our system of gov't?

Just like in Colorado. The people spoke and the likes of John Morse and Rhonda Fields and Evie Hudak were, as far as I know, lawfully elected. I find people with their views to be very distasteful and I wouldn't piss on any of 'em if they were on fire. But they were elected as lawmakers through our system of government. The argument can be made that they are doing what their constituents want.

And how can you imply terrorism is tolerated here? On the one hand you're saying the gov't has overreached in the pursuit of a terrorist and and on the other you're saying (or at least implying) that terrorism is tolerated. Which is it?

And personally, I think the death penalty is meant to be punishment, not a deterrent. It might serve as a deterrent to some, but that's not what it's designed to do. It's the ultimate punishment.

The nazi party had a word for people like you: Useful Idiots.

Yeah...seems REALLY volunteer to me. If he said "No", they would have destroyed that place. Honestly, I can't say what I would be saying and doing if this were on my door step, as there is probably some stupid law preventing it.

Some of you guys really need to take a deep breath and relax. Some serious paranoia going on around here.

You're part of the problem. "Just relax, it's not bad!" is a famous set of last words.

[Bailey Guns]

Wow. A lot of deep, intellectual contemplation went into that post. 7 pages of useful discussion and in one post you tard the whole thing up. Congratulations.

[Dingo]

Wow. A lot of deep, intellectual contemplation went into that post. 7 pages of useful discussion and in one post you tard the whole thing up. Congratulations.

No shit. I love the "I'm right, cuz yer an idiot..." rebuttal. Erudite, witty, scathing, and refreshingly new!

Also a nice little variation on Godwin's law there, trotting in the Nazi references as the final showstopper.

Amazing.

[muddywings]

Wow. A lot of deep, intellectual contemplation went into that post. 7 pages of useful discussion and in one post you tard the whole thing up. Congratulations.

I'm only on page 4. (hey someone gave me crap for it a while back...)

[clublights]

Wow. A lot of deep, intellectual contemplation went into that post. 7 pages of useful discussion and in one post you tard the whole thing up. Congratulations.

Newbies..


What ya gunna do ?

[sellersm]

What if we didn't live in a country where we're free to vote in the politicians that pass the laws that cause some of the above things to happen? The people of MA are by and large very liberal and mostly agree with the gun laws and such. Are you saying they shouldn't be allowed to live as they choose? Isn't that the point of our system of gov't?

Just like in Colorado. The people spoke and the likes of John Morse and Rhonda Fields and Evie Hudak were, as far as I know, lawfully elected. I find people with their views to be very distasteful and I wouldn't piss on any of 'em if they were on fire. But they were elected as lawmakers through our system of government. The argument can be made that they are doing what their constituents want.

And how can you imply terrorism is tolerated here? On the one hand you're saying the gov't has overreached in the pursuit of a terrorist and and on the other you're saying (or at least implying) that terrorism is tolerated. Which is it?

And personally, I think the death penalty is meant to be punishment, not a deterrent. It might serve as a deterrent to some, but that's not what it's designed to do. It's the ultimate punishment.

For the sake of discussion, and to continue with the "what if" motif... What if the elections weren't really what we think they were? What if they aren't as forthright and honest and clear-cut as we're led to believe? Would that change the scenery if we found out that these citizens weren't really as liberal as the election "results" would lead you to believe?

As to the terrorism comment: notice how the MSM has portrayed this "young kid". He's just a "young kid", "normal college kid", etc. etc. And the POTUS himself didn't mention terrorism, EXCEPT to say that "The FBI is investigating it as a terrorism event". He's not owned up to using the T-word outside of any other context... So how does that play in this discussion? Does this portrayal indicate to the average citizen (whatever that really means) that terrorism is tolerated? Or doesn't it?

Just my .00000001 cents in the discussion.

[Bailey Guns]

Well, we could "what if" everything to death, I suppose. I don't really have an answer to your questions. However, a trial is beginning regarding voter fraud that may (or may not) prove Obama wasn't eligible for placement on the primary ballot in Indiana. So, stranger things have happened.

My point in that post was just to point out that as contrary to our beliefs as liberalism may be to me and some others, the liberals are in power in places like MA and elsewhere (ummm...like Colorado) through the system we have in place. When Bush was president the liberals bitched and moaned (and threw about stupid references to Nazis a lot) about him and conservatives. I see liberalism as a threat to our traditional American way of life and it is contrary to my personal beliefs and values. Others see conservatism that way. Hell...even conservatives can't agree on what's conservative.

But, that's the way our elections work. Sometimes we win and sometimes we don't. It's been that way for a few hundred years now.

[brokenscout]

CISPA, CIA does control the media

http://imgur.com/a/Nx8EU

Not enough tin foil!

[losttrail]

Well, we could "what if" everything to death, I suppose. I don't really have an answer to your questions. However, a trial is beginning regarding voter fraud that may (or may not) prove Obama wasn't eligible for placement on the primary ballot in Indiana. So, stranger things have happened.

My point in that post was just to point out that as contrary to our beliefs as liberalism may be to me and some others, the liberals are in power in places like MA and elsewhere (ummm...like Colorado) through the system we have in place. When Bush was president the liberals bitched and moaned (and threw about stupid references to Nazis a lot) about him and conservatives. I see liberalism as a threat to our traditional American way of life and it is contrary to my personal beliefs and values. Others see conservatism that way. Hell...even conservatives can't agree on what's conservative.

But, that's the way our elections work. Sometimes we win and sometimes we don't. It's been that way for a few hundred years now.

But the bigger problem (bigger than the election process) is the infiltration of liberalism (Marxism) into so many facets of government. Dept. of Education is run by liberals (Marxists) and no longer educate but indoctrinate. Look at how the US has fallen behind the rest of the world in math, science, etc. since Carter created the DoE.

Look at Colorado creating sanctuary cities out of Denver and Boulder. Providing in-state tuition for illegals, getting ready to provide drivers licenses to illegals. All over the nation our elected "representatives" are giving illegals all manner of benefits paid for by an ever shrinking working population.

Look at Kalifornia. Overrun with liberals that punish ciitizens and reward illegals and ne'er-do-wells.

[Bailey Guns]

But the bigger problem (bigger than the election process) is the infiltration of liberalism (Marxism) into so many facets of government. Dept. of Education is run by liberals (Marxists) and no longer educate but indoctrinate. Look at how the US has fallen behind the rest of the world in math, science, etc. since Carter created the DoE.

Look at Colorado creating sanctuary cities out of Denver and Boulder. Providing in-state tuition for illegals, getting ready to provide drivers licenses to illegals. All over the nation our elected "representatives" are giving illegals all manner of benefits paid for by an ever shrinking working population.

Look at Kalifornia. Overrun with liberals that punish ciitizens and reward illegals and ne'er-do-wells.

I agree. As a matter of fact, I posted this in a thread in the L&P forum:

Originally Posted by roberth

I have been thinking on this for a long time and I just don't see any other way to do it. There are other solutions but they require the government and citizens to completely revamp their thinking and that is definitely not going to happen.

That's true. But what bothers me about that is when they decide to go full-on commie. With the current crop of elected officials and electorate I'd say that's a more logical progression than moving to the right and correcting the issues in a conservative sense.

Despite how bad it is now, it CAN get worse. I'm glad I'm not 25 and have to live my entire life watching the downfall of my country.

And seriously...how do we change it within the system? Can it even be done? You can vote for those that share you ideals, you can encourage and educate others to do the same, you can send letters, you can complain, you can sue in court, you can even run for office. When that fails, and we're still sliding downward, what then?

I think that's the same thing you said in so many words.