Obama Caused This Ammo Shortage

[Great-Kazoo]

DHS contract was spread out over ten years - so 160 million rounds a year. If DHS has around 30,000 armed personnel, that comes out to about 100 rounds a week.

At my agency we shoot about 100 rounds a month minimum on standard assignment. Our special unit members shoot much more than that.

Will you 2 please keep logic out of this thread. EVERYONE knows they are ordering it NOW to use LATER, at the range and for training .

[Wulf202]

DHS contract was spread out over ten years - so 160 million rounds a year. If DHS has around 30,000 armed personnel, that comes out to about 100 rounds a week.

5 years 70k personnel

[Eggysrun]

If DHS has around 30,000 armed personnel, that comes out to about 100 rounds a week.

Just some food for thought. When I was active duty in the Army we went to the M4 range maybe 4-5 times a year, I wouldn't get anymore than 150 rounds each time we went, more often less because they wanted you to zero asap and re-qualify and get you out of there, but if there was extra ammo people could go re-qual as many times as they wanted (ammo willing) I was a 19D so trigger time was important to many of us.

I'd like to know why on paper DHS agencies would be getting more rounds to fire per week than combat MOS soldiers in the military.

I'm in the reserves now, they have no money for ammo so we go qualify on those M4 laser simulators.

Again, why is it a civilian LEO agency gets more ammo than combat soldiers?

[Ridge]

I'll take your bet.
Look at how many agencies now fall under DHS. Then redo you math. FLETC per shooter does 1-5k per week per shooter per firearm. They train on multiple hand and sub guns daily.
While there may be gray areas for some of you, ANSWER ME THIS.

Based on everyones "concern" over DHS ammo "stockpiling" If i were a non-gun person. WHAT do you as a citizen need to own ammo wise? Really, do you need more than 1-200 rounds at any given time?
I ask because some of the paranoia can be reversed and Start people wondering, why "civilians" Need That much Ammo?

Besides the DHS ammo tin foil has been discussed in a few threads already.

Thank you!

People on this board are starting to become the very type of people they criticize. Their hardships are not their fault, but someone else's. Get your shit together, people. Paranoid assholes caused this ammo shortage. The same people who line up at Sportsman's, waiting for their truck to unload, are the people causing this bullshit.

[CroiDhubh]

Having worked for or with many departments, I'll say that your department shot waaay more than most. (not just Colorado)
Many only qualify and shoot once or twice a year firing only 50 rounds. Training was a personal responsibility and many only shot during quals.
That said, I felt unprepared if I shot less than once a week. A typical training week was 200 rounds between carbine and secondary. (i messed up the average)


I do believe that this ammo shortage is govmnt related. Many theories for the cause, but civilian supply and demand isn't the reason.

I don't buy into the government conspiracy, especially when dealing with the manufactuers who were telling us as an FFL the same amount of ammo is being made and distributed. Just as a heads up, Federal sold over 3 years of ammo to the civilian market in approximately 46 hours after Sandy Hook.

Also, I know we shot more.

[Circuits]

Just some food for thought. When I was active duty in the Army we went to the M4 range maybe 4-5 times a year, I wouldn't get anymore than 150 rounds each time we went, more often less because they wanted you to zero asap and re-qualify and get you out of there, but if there was extra ammo people could go re-qual as many times as they wanted (ammo willing) I was a 19D so trigger time was important to many of us.

I'd like to know why on paper DHS agencies would be getting more rounds to fire per week than combat MOS soldiers in the military.

I'm in the reserves now, they have no money for ammo so we go qualify on those M4 laser simulators.

Again, why is it a civilian LEO agency gets more ammo than combat soldiers?

In the dark, dark days of Clinton's peacetime Army of the 90s, you'd be lucky to get 200 rounds a YEAR to requal. On a lighter note, since the Boston incident tells us it takes 200 rounds fired to get one hit, I'd say the DHS really needs the practice...

[CroiDhubh]

I used to go to the range 3 times a month minimum and shoot at least 100 rounds each time for my .45. Once I got my .40S&W, I shot an additional 100 rounds at a time.

The problem is the ammo jockeys. People who would normally only buy a box or two a month are now there very single day buying the max they can. Said issue is the problem, not the government. My local Wal*Mart has started turning people away who show up every truck shipment because they were there every single Wednesday and Friday. They would literally hang out in the 24hr Wal*Mart in order to get their rounds. These people even admitted to the sales clerk they never before bought so many rounds, "Just to make sure", they could get them again.

Every so often from the area, I'd see 500 rounds become available at $1.25 a round show up on an auction site...and they get it!

One of two things needs to happen: 1. Stop being an ammo jockey! or 2. Ammo prices from the manufacturers have to go through the roof. Also, stop buying the ammo jockey ammo at their inflated prices!

[Eggysrun]

Riddle me this: If it's the government causing the shortage, why is the worst hit 22LR? Also answer this: why are calibers the government isn't buying also virtually equally affected?

Que?

Here is your answer: Because dumbass, paranoid idiots want to have 20,000+ rounds in their closet, but they don't want to spend the money on it. So they buy the cheapest shit they can find. Guess what that is (when it was available). 22LR.

Tired of the paranoid circulation. Government purchases - even if increased - are NOTHING compared to the increase in demand caused by customers, specifically, idiotic customers. This is all the making of the US Citizen.

Good point.

/tips hat

[strm_trpr]

Will you 2 please keep logic out of this thread. EVERYONE knows they are ordering it NOW to use LATER, at the range and for training .

Sorry Jim, I forgot, Logic is dead.

[KevDen2005]

I know numerous officers that work for departments that do very little firearms training because their departments can't afford it. My department cut training from 40 hours a year to 20 hours a year. They also used to give a 50 round box of ball ammo to any officer that requested it each month to encourage shooting on their own. That has been cut in the last several years. A small Arizona PD recently went to an NRA instructor that I know and asked to purchase ammo from him (he has lots) because they couldn't find any ammo to train with.