Obama Caused This Ammo Shortage

[BushMasterBoy]

Obama actually caused this ammo shortage and Congress is reining him in? I liked to feel that it was just a lot of folks beginning to become preppers. A "surplus of customers" to quote another forum member. But for Congress to have to debate why DHS and its offspring are stockpiling ammunition is a scandal. I see evil in government...http://news.yahoo.com/gop-lawmakers-...005425316.html

[CroiDhubh]

When I worked for Silverthorne, every Wednesday was a range day. Minimum of 100 rounds shot. There were 16 officers at the department.

Most of the ammo the department ordered was ball ammo when we carried HST. People would ask why we neded the ball ammo if we were using HST. You do the math

[Hound]

I am pretty sure that is one we can all get behind. I also don't see how the current crop of Democrats could spin it. On one hand they are wasting money and depriving citizens or on the otherhand playing into the "Government is coming to tyranny" conspiricy theories for why they need more ammo than the DoD.

[Colorado Osprey]

When I worked for Silverthorne, every Wednesday was a range day. Minimum of 100 rounds shot. There were 16 officers at the department.

Most of the ammo the department ordered was ball ammo when we carried HST. People would ask why we neded the ball ammo if we were using HST. You do the math

Having worked for or with many departments, I'll say that your department shot waaay more than most. (not just Colorado)
Many only qualify and shoot once or twice a year firing only 50 rounds. Training was a personal responsibility and many only shot during quals.
That said, I felt unprepared if I shot less than once a week. A typical training week was 200 rounds between carbine and secondary. (i messed up the average)


I do believe that this ammo shortage is govmnt related. Many theories for the cause, but civilian supply and demand isn't the reason.

[Dave]

When I worked for Silverthorne, every Wednesday was a range day. Minimum of 100 rounds shot. There were 16 officers at the department.

Most of the ammo the department ordered was ball ammo when we carried HST. People would ask why we neded the ball ammo if we were using HST. You do the math

And with 16 officers, 200 rounds per week and the 1.6 billion rounds DHS has orders for it would take 2,461,538.46 years for you to go through the ammo.

With 25,000 officers, 200 rounds per week and 1.6 billion rounds you get 6.15 years. I'm willing to bet DHS isn't sending 25,000 people to the range every week to fire 200 rounds.

[Great-Kazoo]

And with 16 officers, 200 rounds per week and the 1.6 billion rounds DHS has orders for it would take 2,461,538.46 years for you to go through the ammo.

With 25,000 officers, 200 rounds per week and 1.6 billion rounds you get 6.15 years. I'm willing to bet DHS isn't sending 25,000 people to the range every week to fire 200 rounds.

I'll take your bet.
Look at how many agencies now fall under DHS. Then redo you math. FLETC per shooter does 1-5k per week per shooter per firearm. They train on multiple hand and sub guns daily.
While there may be gray areas for some of you, ANSWER ME THIS.

Based on everyones "concern" over DHS ammo "stockpiling" If i were a non-gun person. WHAT do you as a citizen need to own ammo wise? Really, do you need more than 1-200 rounds at any given time?
I ask because some of the paranoia can be reversed and Start people wondering, why "civilians" Need That much Ammo?

Besides the DHS ammo tin foil has been discussed in a few threads already.

[Aloha_Shooter]

IIRC, the DHS contract was also a multi-year source contract so the total was to be spread out ove a number of years and provided for a number of agencies, some of whom use as much as 500 (or more) rounds per agent per day of training for some of the more rigorous practices. The large government purchases surely had an effect but I'm more inclined to blame fear purchases -- much like the runs on toilet paper, milk and bread in DC after the first PREDICTION of a snowfall ...

[Clint45]

I had some friends who worked for the PD of a small college town with under 20 officers. They had no need for stormtrooper armor or MP5 SMGs, but federal funding allowed them to get it so they took full advantage of that. They used to order .45 ACP by the pallet and shot well over a thousand rounds per month in "training." Not so unusual, no cause for alarm.

[Circuits]

DHS contract was spread out over ten years - so 160 million rounds a year. If DHS has around 30,000 armed personnel, that comes out to about 100 rounds a week.

[strm_trpr]

At my agency we shoot about 100 rounds a month minimum on standard assignment. Our special unit members shoot much more than that.