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DHS are LEO not .mil ..
The Geneva Accords have ZERO effect on them.
I don't know of a LEO that has Carried FMJ in the last 30 years or more.. I'm only 38 but I honestly don't recall em ever not using Hollow point ammo ( at least once I was old enough to know the difference)
DHS has Immigration, Border Patrol, Coast Guard and the Secret Service under it, and they typically fight criminals, not opposing uniformed forces whose countries are signatories to the Hague and Geneva conventions. We can legally use non-FMJ rounds against terrorists and criminals. It makes sense that they would buy JHP ammo, to use against their expected enemies and to train with what they use. Now, the amount they're buying I'm skeptical about.
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right.. Im with you on that. my main thought is that they are buying ammo that they specifically cant use on anyone but civilians....Originally Posted by clublights
Drop the "civilians" and replace with these words :
Terrorists
Murderers
Rapists
Criminals
They carry it for they exact same reason you do
It's more effective.
um..... we arent allowed to use JHP against terrorists over seas.. but fine.
oh, and I HOPE that they are buying a billion rounds of JHP ammo that specifically cant be used anywhere but here on our streets, for the "same reason I do"....
Actually yes they can . Terrorists are unlawful combatants and are not given protection under the geneva accords.
How you think we can stick them in Gitmo ?
then why arent we?
I dunno if the .mil is or is not
But I'd bet that the rank and file infantry will never use JHP's .... now some of the special forces.. attacking a specific target are much more likely to be using them.. and you'd never hear about it. ( like it would not surprise me to find out Osama ate JHP's to the face)
^^ Im about 90% sure we arent.. the reasons that I always heard were the geneva conventions. and yeah, I know that terrorists dont count.. I could be wrong.
The problem with issuing JHPs for use against terrorists is that you can never control whether your next encounter will definitely be against unlawful combatants. It creates yet another logistical burden (as well as legal trap) to track yet another type of ammo. By not stocking JHPs, the military can state emphatically that none of the wounds in a claimed collateral damage encounter are the result of "ammunition designed to maim or cause undue suffering". No one caught with suspect ammo can claim it was issued to him/her by mistake.
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