I'm going to take your baby, don't resist.

[Bailey Guns]

In my book this is kidnapping and would be met with appropriate levels of force.

Fortunately for this child, his parents were a little more level-headed. While I understand the sentiment it would've ended far worse than it did for everyone involved.

The police probably had nothing to do with this other than to escort CPS to the home after being told there's a child in danger. You can resist all you want and your "appropriate levels of force" would've been met with even more force over which you wouldn't be able to prevail. And how would that turn out for your child or your wife? Or you?

No, these parents were smarter than that. Yes, it's a severe injustice and it's a disgrace. No question. But in the end, I bet the courts side with the parents and I bet someone will be made to pay big $$.

[Jesus-With-A-.45]

Fortunately for this child, his parents were a little more level-headed. While I understand the sentiment it would've ended far worse than it did for everyone involved.

The police probably had nothing to do with this other than to escort CPS to the home after being told there's a child in danger. You can resist all you want and your "appropriate levels of force" would've been met with even more force over which you wouldn't be able to prevail. And how would that turn out for your child or your wife? Or you?

No, these parents were smarter than that. Yes, it's a severe injustice and it's a disgrace. No question. But in the end, I bet the courts side with the parents and I bet someone will be made to pay big $$.

I always love how easy it is to predict the exact respone that will come from certain members when it comes to stories about cops just "doing there jobs".

[Bailey Guns]

I always love how easy it is to predict the exact respone that will come from certain members when it comes to stories about cops just "doing there jobs".

Yeah...almost as predictable as how badass the internet commandos are gonna be "if the cops did that to me/my kid/my family."

[Chad4000]

Yeah...almost as predictable as how badass the internet commandos are gonna be "if the cops did that to me/my kid/my family."

if we already agree that it's an injustice,, then we are just debating how to deal with it. You trust the system and the courts.... not sure I do...

just playing devils advocate here. (because I agree, that anybody who really wanted to "fight" would end up losing). But if you wouldnt fight when somebody (cops or not) are taking your kid, would you ever fight? that can be rhetorical if you want....

certainly have to pick your battles. swat going door to door in boston was a huge injustice. would I have put up a fight? probably not.... CPS taking my kid like they did the one in the story? maybe.....maybe......

[Bailey Guns]

if we already agree that it's an injustice,, then we are just debating how to deal with it. You trust the system and the courts.... not sure I do...

just playing devils advocate here. (because I agree, that anybody who really wanted to "fight" would end up losing). But if you wouldnt fight when somebody (cops or not) are taking your kid, would you ever fight? that can be rhetorical if you want....

certainly have to pick your battles. swat going door to door in boston was a huge injustice. would I have put up a fight? probably not.... CPS taking my kid like they did the one in the story? maybe.....maybe......

This isn't a battle to prove how tough you are. This is a battle to ultimately get what's best for your child and your family. Fighting the cops and getting hurt (or worse) and going to jail would've benefited the family how, exactly? If you fight, the kids are leaving with CPS anyway.

I've never had a problem fighting. But there have also been plenty that I've walked away from for various reasons. Do you think the smart warrior blindly charges into a battle he/she can't possibly win? Or do you think the smart warrior plots a strategy and gathers the resources needed to best insure a positive outcome to the fight?

It appears we agree that had the father/mother fought the cops, they would've lost. So my question to you is, would that put the child in a better position or worse position? I'm not minimizing what happened in any way. But the parents were obviously a lot smarter than some people on this forum and they approached this in the right way.

And frankly, I've been put in that situation as a cop and it sucked. Jesus and his .45 apparently think the cops sit around eating donuts and conspiring about how they're gonna go ruin some family's day and violate their rights and kick their dog. A lot of people who have exactly ZERO law enforcement experience always seem to know more about the cop's job than the cop. I don't know why that is.

[CroiDhubh]

This isn't a battle to prove how tough you are. This is a battle to ultimately get what's best for your child and your family. Fighting the cops and getting hurt (or worse) and going to jail would've benefited the family how, exactly? If you fight, the kids are leaving with CPS anyway.

I've never had a problem fighting. But there have also been plenty that I've walked away from for various reasons. Do you think the smart warrior blindly charges into a battle he/she can't possibly win? Or do you think the smart warrior plots a strategy and gathers the resources needed to best insure a positive outcome to the fight?

It appears we agree that had the father/mother fought the cops, they would've lost. So my question to you is, would that put the child in a better position or worse position? I'm not minimizing what happened in any way. But the parents were obviously a lot smarter than some people on this forum and they approached this in the right way.

And frankly, I've been put in that situation as a cop and it sucked. Jesus and his .45 apparently think the cops sit around eating donuts and conspiring about how they're gonna go ruin some family's day and violate their rights and kick their dog. A lot of people who have exactly ZERO law enforcement experience always seem to know more about the cop's job than the cop. I don't know why that is.

Because those people are looking at it from a civil rights/perceived rights issue and the cops are looking at it from the law/department mandates.

[Hound]

Because those people are looking at it from a civil rights/perceived rights issue and the cops are looking at it from the law/department mandates.

+1

It comes down to right and wrong.

[Chad4000]

This isn't a battle to prove how tough you are. This is a battle to ultimately get what's best for your child and your family. Fighting the cops and getting hurt (or worse) and going to jail would've benefited the family how, exactly? If you fight, the kids are leaving with CPS anyway.

I've never had a problem fighting. But there have also been plenty that I've walked away from for various reasons. Do you think the smart warrior blindly charges into a battle he/she can't possibly win? Or do you think the smart warrior plots a strategy and gathers the resources needed to best insure a positive outcome to the fight?

It appears we agree that had the father/mother fought the cops, they would've lost. So my question to you is, would that put the child in a better position or worse position? I'm not minimizing what happened in any way. But the parents were obviously a lot smarter than some people on this forum and they approached this in the right way.

And frankly, I've been put in that situation as a cop and it sucked. Jesus and his .45 apparently think the cops sit around eating donuts and conspiring about how they're gonna go ruin some family's day and violate their rights and kick their dog. A lot of people who have exactly ZERO law enforcement experience always seem to know more about the cop's job than the cop. I don't know why that is.

Im not really talking about being tough.... this is a really touchy subject, and its really hard to tip toe around. I am thinking grand scheme... just going to throw out some hypotheticals here: would it be better for your son to know that his dad fought when people came for him? would it be better for his children someday if a few of us fought against obvious injustice? would it happen less if a few of us fought? I have no idea.... just throwing ideas out....

[Bailey Guns]

I always love how easy it is to predict the exact respone that will come from certain members when it comes to stories about cops just "doing there jobs".

And you apparently either didn't read or didn't comprehend this part:

Yes, it's a severe injustice and it's a disgrace. No question.

But being outraged about what you know about others is much more fun, isn't it?

[Jesus-With-A-.45]

And you apparently either didn't read or didn't comprehend this part:



But being outraged about what you know about others is much more fun, isn't it?

I don't have nearly as much fun "being outraged" as you do licking badges, but that's what cops do to other cops isn't it? Don't ask, don't tell.