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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    Well, honestly, I don't know who abused the system here. Can you really tell from the article in the OP? Can we really tell exactly what happened based on the article? And I don't think there's really any way to answer your question in terms of numbers.
    Well true I didn't expect an actual number back as much as I was making the point that the ability of CPS to take children on an emergency basis has merit and Good intent. I'm sure they have taken many more kids for good reasons that all of us would agree with and support, And that this happens many more times more often then an abuse of the system as apparent from the current report of this incident..

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    Also, CPS and similar are emboldened by thier police protection. I know a few officers that have had to work closely with CPS and they dont have a lot good to say about it. While obviously there are occassions that demand outside intervention, my personal opinion as a father is that society has ceded too much authority to nameless faceless employees that often exercise authority in situations where they should, bluntly, butt the hell out of. Hiding behind armed men only makes it worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwalker460 View Post
    Also, CPS and similar are emboldened by thier police protection. I know a few officers that have had to work closely with CPS and they dont have a lot good to say about it. While obviously there are occassions that demand outside intervention, my personal opinion as a father is that society has ceded too much authority to nameless faceless employees that often exercise authority in situations where they should, bluntly, butt the hell out of. Hiding behind armed men only makes it worse.

    absolutely agree.....

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    FFS. Some people just can't look at anything rationally. Who, exactly, said the cops "never get it wrong" in this thread, except you?

    Have you ever made a serious mistake or error in judgment? Do plumbers, mechanics, pilots, presidents, janitors, stock brokers or humans in general make mistakes. Some of you guys are just petty in your ridiculous comments.
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    ^^ Police are held to a higher standard then plumbers and janitors....

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    its a thankless job for sure... i dont envy the posistion that our good officers are in one bit...

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    Cops make mistakes.. yeah it happens.. yes they are held to a higher standard...

    all of the links dwalker posted are examples of why no knock raids should either be banned or MUCH MUCH more tightly controlled. ( I vote for tighter controls)

    But here again ... WHY attack the cops ? The cops were there under orders to help CPS. they had little to zero knowledge of the story .. hell for all YOU know the cops only heard a 1/4 of the story. kid sick.. needs surgery. parents took him secretively out of the hospital.

    The police from what I see here currently acted on good faith. I have no doubt CPS is the boogie man on this one.

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    Default I'm going to take your baby, don't resist.

    The parents did the right thing and continue to do the right thing by cooperating.

    Whoever caused this blunder will pay both with their career and with a lot of money after the family is paid out in lawsuits.

    For the record I'm not fond of this situation but I'm also not fond of reading stories about children who die after their parents refuse medical treatment for them. There was an article I recently read about parents who had two children die because they refused medical treatment and prayed for their children to be healed.

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    Apparently impossibly high standards according to some.
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