Great blog post "Dear Gun Control Dems" written by a D

[mtnhack]

There is no such thing as a pro-gun democrat. There just isn't and I've already articulated why that's true. Not you nor anyone else has been able to articulate why it isn't true except to say that, "I like guns" or "I own guns" or "Sen So-n-So voted against that gun bill".

I believe this to be non-sensical. So there are no pro-choice republicans? There are no pro-GunControl Republicans? How about pro-gay republicans?
Just because it is in the party platform doesn't mean these people won't vote their constituents' wishes (more and more unlikely), what is perceived publicly popular at the time, their personal ethics, their religious beliefs, or what their lobby interests tell them to vote for on condition of later payment.
Just as you point out that there is almost never a pro-gun control republican, you must also allow that there are the occasional pro-gun democrats.

[Bailey Guns]

Bailey... I think the solution is to weaken the power of the parties and instead make the system more dependent on the actual person you vote for. Or find some other way to make it more than just 2 parties that always control everything.

I don't think there's a problem with our electoral system. I think the problem lies with an oppressive federal government that far exceeds it's Constitutional powers. I'll also concede that problem has been caused by both parties. I will, however, state that in general the republican party is far more in favor or downsizing the federal government than the democrat party is. Just another in a long list of reasons not to vote for democrats.

[nynco]

I don't think there's a problem with our electoral system. I think the problem lies with an oppressive federal government that far exceeds it's Constitutional powers. I'll also concede that problem has been caused by both parties. I will, however, state that in general the republican party is far more in favor or downsizing the federal government than the democrat party is. Just another in a long list of reasons not to vote for democrats.

Bailey do you honestly feel free when we only have two choices...and those two parties rig the rules to keep out all other candidates? Is that good for out nation? What did the founding fathers say about parties?

[Bailey Guns]

I believe this to be non-sensical. So there are no pro-choice republicans? There are no pro-GunControl Republicans? How about pro-gay republicans?
Just because it is in the party platform doesn't mean these people won't vote their constituents' wishes (more and more unlikely), what is perceived publicly popular at the time, their personal ethics, their religious beliefs, or what their lobby interests tell them to vote for on condition of later payment.
Just as you point out that there is almost never a pro-gun control republican, you must also allow that there are the occasional pro-gun democrats.

I don't have to allow any such thing. There may be a republican who believes in "choice". But if he/she supports the party then he/she isn't truly "pro-choice" any more than a democrat who likes guns is "pro-gun". I think you helped prove my point rather than disprove it.

And if you think that party leadership (of both parties) doesn't use every means within their power to influence votes on important issues by party members who tend to "stray" from the party line then you really don't know how Washington works. Members are sometimes allowed to buck the party line, especially when the vote isn't going to be close anyway. I will also concede that sometimes a party member will vote against the party anyway, despite the pressure from leadership...but it's not a common thing and they will eventually pay for their transgression. One way or another.

[Bailey Guns]

Bailey do you honestly feel free when we only have two choices...and those two parties rig the rules to keep out all other candidates? Is that good for out nation? What did the founding fathers say about parties?

You have far more than two choices. You may have only two realistic choices in terms of a candidate you like being elected. But that's not the fault of the system or either of the parties.

And potential candidates don't get into this game blindly. They know what they're doing when they choose to run. It's a personal choice.

[Ridge]

A pro-gun person wouldn't even have to think in order to answer that question.

What about a pro individual rights person?

How can people on here say that they are for individual rights, and then say that the government should be able to tell someone what they can do with their body, or in their bedroom?

[Bailey Guns]

While I may or may not agree with things like you mention, Ridge, it's not the important issue to me that the 2A is. Therefore, issues like gay marriage and what not take a back seat to others because they aren't as high on my priority list.

How can a person who argues vehemently for "gay rights" or "individual rights" argue against Second Amendment rights? Works both ways. And since I'd wager that most gays are democrats...

[ChunkyMonkey]

^ The argument on pro life is simple... everyone has right including a baby. You are correct on the bedroom part - non of anyone else business beside the couple/partners. That should also applies on religion rights. The big gov needs to stay out of religious organization on how it conducts itself.

Between the two parties, democrat is the one for more regulations and intrusion into personal freedom whether it's taxation, registration, regulation on personal property, belief, and way of life. I may or may not vote for gop'ers... but I will never vote for DEMs.

[Ridge]

^ The argument on pro life is simple...

Is it?

everyone has right including a baby.

In scientific terms, a fetus is a parasite. It consumes nutrition from the host animal while providing nothing. Unless you count slower response time and inconsistencies in brain activity as a benefit.

[Rucker61]

Is it?



In scientific terms, a fetus is a parasite. It consumes nutrition from the host animal while providing nothing. Unless you count slower response time and inconsistencies in brain activity as a benefit.

Breasts get bigger and hair looks fantastic.