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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    Ronin correct me if I am wrong (which I know you would in a heartbeat)... but didn't you say you wanted to be a cop someday? How are you going to be a cop and carry out your duty if you consider 50% of America to be traitors? The world is not black and white.
    Committed Democrats are about 30-35% of the population, not 50%. Some things ARE black and white no matter how much Obama and his ilk try to make them out to be gray.

    I'm glad a few Democrats can see that the gun control arguments offered are so much pap but pardon me for only offering a soft golf clap for them realizing this when they still support so many illogical, unconstitutional and flat-out unAmerican measures. I used to be much more ambivalent about both parties but 2010s Democrats are not the same as 1970s Democrats and the 2010 version are (for the most part) domestic enemies of the Constitution, American heritage and common sense. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    Committed Democrats are about 30-35% of the population, not 50%. Some things ARE black and white no matter how much Obama and his ilk try to make them out to be gray.

    I'm glad a few Democrats can see that the gun control arguments offered are so much pap but pardon me for only offering a soft golf clap for them realizing this when they still support so many illogical, unconstitutional and flat-out unAmerican measures. I used to be much more ambivalent about both parties but 2010s Democrats are not the same as 1970s Democrats and the 2010 version are (for the most part) domestic enemies of the Constitution, American heritage and common sense. Period.

    I agree and think that BOTH parties are part of the problem. Its not just one side. I would gladly vote for Eisenhower conservatives over most of the current D-holes.

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    I vote republican for very simple reasons. The republican party and candidates generally most closely represent my personal values. It's never a perfect match and many republicans do things that piss me off. But the general republican party platform most closely matches my beliefs and republicans and democrats are realistically the only two parties that are going to be elected.

    Their stance on 2A freedoms are the main issue I look for in a candidate. Even if a republican isn't a hard-core pro-2A person they will almost never sponsor anti-gun legislation and when push comes to shove they will usually vote with the party against 2A infringements. Obviously, Sen Toomey is a glaring issue of why I said "almost never".

    That's also why I would vote for a lukewarm pro-2A republican rather than a democrat with a more solid 2A voting record. It comes down to party. More often than not a politician will vote with his party when pressured by the party leadership. Party trumps person...I'm a firm believer in Rosen's theory.
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    I am glad someone is spreading education to the libs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabid View Post
    I am glad someone is spreading education to the libs.
    This has never been the problem and by saying so we're redirecting from where the focus should be. Liberals have been "educated", and continue to be "educated", on the fallacy that is gun control. It's not lack of education or information. It's what they choose to do with that information and it's a war of ideology and emotion.

    It would be helpful if we didn't say things like this because it implies it's just a lack of information. It isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    This has never been the problem and by saying so we're redirecting from where the focus should be. Liberals have been "educated", and continue to be "educated", on the fallacy that is gun control. It's not lack of education or information. It's what they choose to do with that information and it's a war of ideology and emotion.

    It would be helpful if we didn't say things like this because it implies it's just a lack of information. It isn't.
    Bailey, I know you don't like me or just tolerate me sometimes. You are getting better and I commend you for that. But sometimes the way you deliver the message could turn off the target audience to any truth that you might be trying to tell them. I am guilty of that too and so are most people to some degree. Sometimes how the message is presented any by whom matters just as much as the truth of the message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    Bailey, I know you don't like me or just tolerate me sometimes. You are getting better and I commend you for that. But sometimes the way you deliver the message could turn off the target audience to any truth that you might be trying to tell them. I am guilty of that too and so are most people to some degree. Sometimes how the message is presented any by whom matters just as much as the truth of the message.
    It's not a personal thing against you, really...it's your politics (or perhaps past politics). And I'll be the first to admit I'm pretty much a no BS type of person. I don't try to make anyone feel good while explaining why my beliefs are important to me. If I come across as abrasive or stubborn...well, maybe I'm just abrasive or stubborn.

    I'll also admit I'm rabidly opposed to most liberal ideology. Foaming at the mouth rabidly opposed.
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    Ronin, I misspoke and said traitor when you said the world "UNAMERICAN". To me the two terms are interchangeable or close. That still does not change my point that you would have a hard time being a cop if you looked at half the population in that light.

    Bailey... I think the solution is to weaken the power of the parties and instead make the system more dependent on the actual person you vote for. Or find some other way to make it more than just 2 parties that always control everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynco View Post
    Bailey... I think the solution is to weaken the power of the parties and instead make the system more dependent on the actual person you vote for. Or find some other way to make it more than just 2 parties that always control everything.
    I don't think there's a problem with our electoral system. I think the problem lies with an oppressive federal government that far exceeds it's Constitutional powers. I'll also concede that problem has been caused by both parties. I will, however, state that in general the republican party is far more in favor or downsizing the federal government than the democrat party is. Just another in a long list of reasons not to vote for democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    I don't think there's a problem with our electoral system. I think the problem lies with an oppressive federal government that far exceeds it's Constitutional powers. I'll also concede that problem has been caused by both parties. I will, however, state that in general the republican party is far more in favor or downsizing the federal government than the democrat party is. Just another in a long list of reasons not to vote for democrats.
    Bailey do you honestly feel free when we only have two choices...and those two parties rig the rules to keep out all other candidates? Is that good for out nation? What did the founding fathers say about parties?

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