Legal impacts of 1224 on FFL dealer firearm inventory

[Brian]

I know this bill is as clear as mud, but am wondering if there is any sort of consensus yet on this, given how it will affect the availability of the actual firearms themselves.

Post July 1, will Colorado FFL dealers be able to receive guns from distributors containing 15+rd magazines? (In this case, assume they would immediately destroy/dispose of said magazine, selling only the firearm itself)?

It speaks repeatedly about "a person" being restricted from possession and sale, etc. but does not appear to include or exclude a business or licensed dealer.

Related - does an FFL's status at all meet this exception criteria?

a) A DEPARTMENT, AGENCY, OR POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE
6 STATE OF COLORADO, ANY OTHER STATE, OR THE UNITED STATES
7 GOVERNMENT; OR

[Great-Kazoo]

As posted in numerous threads they will ship guns with 10 rd mags. Just like they use to. Or some mfg with figure out a way to make the floor plate fixed.

[Brian]

Thanks Jim, I definitely understand there are low-capacity compliant firearms available, and probably more configs will be made. And I've read enough about the readily-convertible issue to know that's a cluster itself.

What I'm specifically interested in - especially with hard to get guns, can I as an FFL receive a firearm with a standard-capacity mag? For example, Davidson's doesn't currently carry the SCAR 17S package with the 10rd mag, only the 20. So I can't order a SCAR 17s (at least not from them) at all, unless they're willing to unbox and pull the mag out for me? Or as an FFL, am I able to receive the box, separate the mag, and sell the gun to a customer without it?

I'm assuming that, unless all LE customers are going to start buying direct from the manufacturers, there has to be an expectation that an FFL can receive magazines of any size, and apply the (stupid) laws as appropriate for the customer.

If this has been covered, I apologize. I did look but didn't find anything...

[ghettoblaster]

If this has been covered, I apologize. I did look but didn't find anything...

Some of us actually do other things than read discussion board posts all day.... Hard to know every conversation that's been had, or sometimes even where to find it!

[Great-Kazoo]

Thanks Jim, I definitely understand there are low-capacity compliant firearms available, and probably more configs will be made. And I've read enough about the readily-convertible issue to know that's a cluster itself.

What I'm specifically interested in - especially with hard to get guns, can I as an FFL receive a firearm with a standard-capacity mag? For example, Davidson's doesn't currently carry the SCAR 17S package with the 10rd mag, only the 20. So I can't order a SCAR 17s (at least not from them) at all, unless they're willing to unbox and pull the mag out for me? Or as an FFL, am I able to receive the box, separate the mag, and sell the gun to a customer without it?

I'm assuming that, unless all LE customers are going to start buying direct from the manufacturers, there has to be an expectation that an FFL can receive magazines of any size, and apply the (stupid) laws as appropriate for the customer.

If this has been covered, I apologize. I did look but didn't find anything...

As an FFL i doubt it, unless it's LE specific like the LE Glock program. I contacted magpul about LE only sales for FFL's. They replied NO exceptions for CO or other states with Magazine Capacity bans. Granted they are not firearm mfg's. but that was one reply.

[Hound]

This was not just a mag ban, it was a backdoor gun ban. Pure and simple.

[SA Friday]

As far as we've (the dealer where I work) been able to figure out, the local cops do not and will not give two damns about the law. They can't even figure out which mags fit the law's definition. Currently, neither can the ATF who just so happened to say they WOULD enforce the state law when we called them and asked. They also related they currently don't have a fucking clue as to which mags will fall into the category of less than 15 but illegal due to the extension clause. They are supposed to have some sort of letter going out next month concerning 1224, but they won't state what the letter is going to cover.

So, the nutshell version is nobody has a god-damned clue and the ATF is going to stick their finger in it and make it worse. And to top off this crap-pie, I suspect the CO Sheriff's Org is going to file suit against the law on 1 July and the law could end up being suspended until all the court room stuff is done. Then again, the court room stuff might sit and stagnate for 2 years and nothing get done.

Clear as mud, right...

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

They also related they currently don't have a fucking clue as to which mags will fall into the category of less than 15 but illegal due to the extension clause.

Clear as mud, right...

Obviously, clear as mud and still to be determined, but those of you FFLs or working at one placing orders.....

(I've never seen one) - do typical 10rd "California Mags" have secured, non-removeable baseplates?

I guess what I'm wondering is if you have a firearm that "standard capacity" is > 15 rounds, you'll get a 10, right? And that would make sense if they don't make a 15rd mag for the firearm.
What if "standard capacity" IS somewhere between 10 and 15 rounds? If a 10rd magazine has a removeable baseplate, why is that better than a 15 with same baseplate?
I guess if the 10rd mag baseplate doesn't come off, the question is moot.

In other words, your new G17 comes with a 10, but your G19/20/22 comes with a 10 or a 15?

[Ronin13]

Obviously, clear as mud and still to be determined, but those of you FFLs or working at one placing orders.....

(I've never seen one) - do typical 10rd "California Mags" have secured, non-removeable baseplates?

I guess what I'm wondering is if you have a firearm that "standard capacity" is > 15 rounds, you'll get a 10, right? And that would make sense if they don't make a 15rd mag for the firearm.
What if "standard capacity" IS somewhere between 10 and 15 rounds? If a 10rd magazine has a removeable baseplate, why is that better than a 15 with same baseplate?
I guess if the 10rd mag baseplate doesn't come off, the question is moot.

In other words, your new G17 comes with a 10, but your G19/20/22 comes with a 10 or a 15?

As I understand it, we'll be treated like CA... 10 round for any weapon that has CA compliant magazines... All your Glocks will now be shipped to CO with 10 rounders and it won't have on the box "Not legal for sale in CA" or "For LE/Mil use only." That's just coming from what one of the FFLs I know has expected to start seeing when he get orders shipped in. I imagine there will be a firesale on all existing inventory the next two months so no FFLs will have NIB guns with "high capacity" magazines. My praying knees are starting to hurt from all these prayers being sent to have the law overturned in court or something like that.

[SA Friday]

Most CA mags still have removable baseplates, but they all have some form of impediment internally to stop them from being extended or fitting more than 10 rounds. I've found most factory Beretta mags for the 92s are crimped to not allow extension and are 15 rounders. Some mags simply don't have any way of extending them currently on the market even though they can be disassembled. Some have the ability to be extended with current market extenders, but they are questionable. i.e. an Arrendondo will work on a Glock 26 mag, but there are no springs for this change and that 16th round is going to be a crazy screaming bitch to get in there. Does this count? Who knows...

Ronin's evaluation of what will come is pretty accurate. We will all see what the future brings.