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    Quote Originally Posted by DHC View Post
    With kids in the home, the question of safe (and legal) storage of powder and primers has been on my mind lately.

    First addressing legalities, I found that SAAMI publishes two relevant brochures:

    * Smokeless Powder: Properties and Storage, Link here --> http://www.saami.org/specifications_...ess_Powder.pdf, and
    * Sporting Ammunition Primers: Properties, Handling & Safe Storage for Handloading, Link here --> http://www.saami.org/specifications_...01-Primers.pdf

    In those documents are references to the National Fire Protection Association publication 495 chapter 11, applicable here. In summary, there are published guidelines for specialized storage requirements in residences when the quantities exceed:

    * 20 pounds of smokeless powder (less than 20 pounds may be stored in original containers)
    * 10,000 primers. In fact, as I read the code, it places a firm upper limit on the total number of primers that may be stored in residences to 10,000. Reference paragraph 11-5.4.

    Apparently most/many municipalities have adopted ordinances that codify the guidelines contained in the NFPA Guidelines (I'll be checking the local ordinances here to be sure). Further, many insurance companies require compliance with local ordinances in order to pay on any claims.

    The powder storage guidelines can be met, albeit with some effort and expense in building (or buying) storage cabinets to their specifications. The primer limitation, however, seems a potentially serious issue. 10,000 primers is not very many.

    How are you guys addressing this? Is my understanding correct - and if so, doesn't it represent a serious risk if there is ever a house fire? I don't mean a risk due to primer/powder explosion, I mean the risk that the insurance company will deny any claims if they find local ordinances were not followed - even if those violations had little, or nothing, to do with the actual cause of the claim.

    I am curious as to how others have addressed this and the solutions.

    ETA: It looks like there is a maximum amount of powder allowed to be stored in private residences as well - that limit being 50 pounds.
    1" thick wood storage cabinets, with wheels on them for ease of relocation. I'm buying off CL used kitchen cabinets (already 1/2") and adding another layer of 3/4" wood to it. I don't store any reloading components in the home, so that's not a concern. The shop is approx 75' from home , closest building is next door and not a residence. I was looking at adding a fire suppression system, like security systems, for lower ins premiums.
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    The original post doesn't cover the storage of BLACK POWDER. Lot of muzzle loader shooters have a few pounds of this stuff and what are the precautions for storing that VERY explosive stuff??

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBob View Post
    The original post doesn't cover the storage of BLACK POWDER. Lot of muzzle loader shooters have a few pounds of this stuff and what are the precautions for storing that VERY explosive stuff??
    Good point. I don't load using real black powder, only an occasional BP substitute (treated the same as smokeless powder). I did find that CA has laws pertaining to smokeless and black powder and they equate one pound of black powder with 50 pounds of smokeless. I also found some OSHA regulations that offer guidance --> http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...able=STANDARDS, but I am not sure how binding OSHA regs are for private individuals in their residences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBob View Post
    The original post doesn't cover the storage of BLACK POWDER. Lot of muzzle loader shooters have a few pounds of this stuff and what are the precautions for storing that VERY explosive stuff??
    Same wood storage

    Quote Originally Posted by DHC View Post
    Good point. I don't load using real black powder, only an occasional BP substitute (treated the same as smokeless powder). I did find that CA has laws pertaining to smokeless and black powder and they equate one pound of black powder with 50 pounds of smokeless. I also found some OSHA regulations that offer guidance --> http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owad...able=STANDARDS, but I am not sure how binding OSHA regs are for private individuals in their residences.
    This is not CA and OSHA is for Work / business. Not a private individual. You let osha in to anyone's home and get the check book out, be it the improperly stored garden hose, to power equipment unsecured where minors are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
    This is not CA and OSHA is for Work / business. Not a private individual. You let osha in to anyone's home and get the check book out, be it the improperly stored garden hose, to power equipment unsecured where minors are.
    Acknowledged on both points. The CA reference was merely to provide some indication of the comparative 'dangers' of the two classifications of powder. The LAST thing I care to do is hold CA up as any kind of example, however, in the absence of any other reference source, at least it provides a data point.

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