What are conservative and liberal ideals?

[BigDee]

Thanks Ronin - thats what I was looking for! I just received back from my son's (who is very much a capital L Libertarian, as Mike Rosen would describe him) friend some of what his liberal friends consider to be conservative ideals:

- Anti-minority
- Basically racist, and dedicated to defending only what white guys like
- Pro big companies and opposed to small business and the government
- Favor business growth and pollution over the environment (support for Big Oil is evidence)
- Hate poor people and are usually mean to them
- Only care about the US and not the rest of the world
- Try to demean women and even want to keep them from voting (you can't make this stuff up)
- Always try to force Christianity on others and convert them

Here are some of the Liberal ideals they came up with:
- Care about all people (kinder, more caring)
- More money for public education
- Distrust the military and people who have been in the military. Military people want to start wars
- Open minded
- Favor unions as a way to protect companies from exploiting workers. All workers should be unionized
- Conservatives who can't be taught proper thinking should be excluded from leadership roles and the government
- All viewpoints are valid and must be considered (part of open minded thinking)
- Helping minorities and the rest of the world is more important than debt/deficit
- By spending more, we can eliminate worldwide poverty

I was pretty disappointed in these results - more emotional really and not a lot of substance. However, not really surprised. Kids that age tend not to know a lot about this sort of thing, and are more swayed by easy to say emotional arguments - no explanations provided most of the time.

I agree with the Christianity issue. Not all conservatives are hard core bible thumpers but The Christian hard core conservative right has become the loudest voice representing the conservative movement in this country. The Conservative movement will continue to lose traction in this country so long as the conservative movement continues to try and legislate what it deems to be socially appropriate behavior and does so on the sheer basis that its the way God intended for things to be.

[Goodburbon]

I'm a conservative.

I'm an atheist. I'm always pushing Christian views on everyone.

My best friend has brown skin, I hate him because I'm a racist.

My neighbor has a yard full of trash that blows into my yard when its windy, but I hate him just because he's poor.




The opposite of conservative to me is progressive, and both republicans and democrats are progressive. Mitt Romney is a self described progressive, and that's a major reason I didn't vote for him, I'm conservative.

Op your first post was pretty close to the mark.



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[bryjcom]

I think we need to stop referencing the left as "Liberal" They are anything but "liberal" There is no "liberty" in their ideals with some small exceptions.

They are progressives, totalitarians, statists, useful idiots, etc, etc... But they are NOT Liberal.

[Ronin13]

Going from crazy right wing to left wing crazy it goes

Tea Party/Republicans/Conservatives/Liberals/Democrats/Progressives

I don't think that's a fair nor accurate assessment- sounds too inspired by both Glenn Beck and MSNBC. Tea Party is like a mix between Conservative-Libertarians and Conservative-Constitutionalists (if not full blown latter). You left out, what was the term everyone made fun of Graham and McCain as saying? Those 'libertarian kids'- ala Cruz, Rubio, and Rand. I'd realign that to be Tea Party (but they're not crazy, they're just right- pun intended)/Conservatives/Republicans/Libertarians/Progressives/Democrats/Liberals/Socialists (This last one includes the OWS anti-capitalists).

The opposite of conservative to me is progressive, and both republicans and democrats are progressive. Mitt Romney is a self described progressive, and that's a major reason I didn't vote for him, I'm conservative.

THIS! I consider my old man to be a fiscal conservative, social conservative, and Constitutional progressive (meaning he doesn't quite align to the right on the 2A issue along with a few other Constitutional issues).

[Hound]

I find this funny. The retorts to my post prove my point.

BTW: I am not a fan of Beck, I find him to be the Howard Stern of the right. He just says stuff to rile people up.

[DavieD55]

I think we need to stop referencing the left as "Liberal" They are anything but "liberal" There is no "liberty" in their ideals with some small exceptions.

They are progressives, totalitarians, statists, useful idiots, etc, etc... But they are NOT Liberal.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^

[Ronin13]

I think we need to stop referencing the left as "Liberal" They are anything but "liberal" There is no "liberty" in their ideals with some small exceptions.

They are progressives, totalitarians, statists, useful idiots, socialists etc, etc... But they are NOT Liberal.

FTFY. I feel that a lot of the left has no clue just how bad socialism and communism really are... A guy I knew growing up was born here but both of his parents immigrated from the Soviet Union in the late 70's. His dad had a lot of words of wisdom about Communism and just how horrible it was over there- mostly how under-appreciated a hard worker really is in a world of mediocrity and "equality".

Also, the thing I don't get about liberals (or whatever moniker you want to use for them) is how they can continue to call Republicans/Conservatives Nazis. Goes to show that Reagan was right: “It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

[Rabid]

LIBERAL TENETS
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- Security much more important then freedom

Both sides do this when it is convenient for them.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I find this funny. The retorts to my post prove my point.

Keep believing that.