What are conservative and liberal ideals?

[Ronin13]

Going from crazy right wing to left wing crazy it goes

Tea Party/Republicans/Conservatives/Liberals/Democrats/Progressives

I don't think that's a fair nor accurate assessment- sounds too inspired by both Glenn Beck and MSNBC. Tea Party is like a mix between Conservative-Libertarians and Conservative-Constitutionalists (if not full blown latter). You left out, what was the term everyone made fun of Graham and McCain as saying? Those 'libertarian kids'- ala Cruz, Rubio, and Rand. I'd realign that to be Tea Party (but they're not crazy, they're just right- pun intended)/Conservatives/Republicans/Libertarians/Progressives/Democrats/Liberals/Socialists (This last one includes the OWS anti-capitalists).

The opposite of conservative to me is progressive, and both republicans and democrats are progressive. Mitt Romney is a self described progressive, and that's a major reason I didn't vote for him, I'm conservative.

THIS! I consider my old man to be a fiscal conservative, social conservative, and Constitutional progressive (meaning he doesn't quite align to the right on the 2A issue along with a few other Constitutional issues).

[Hound]

I find this funny. The retorts to my post prove my point.

BTW: I am not a fan of Beck, I find him to be the Howard Stern of the right. He just says stuff to rile people up.

[Aloha_Shooter]

I find this funny. The retorts to my post prove my point.

Keep believing that.

[DavieD55]

I think we need to stop referencing the left as "Liberal" They are anything but "liberal" There is no "liberty" in their ideals with some small exceptions.

They are progressives, totalitarians, statists, useful idiots, etc, etc... But they are NOT Liberal.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^

[Ronin13]

I think we need to stop referencing the left as "Liberal" They are anything but "liberal" There is no "liberty" in their ideals with some small exceptions.

They are progressives, totalitarians, statists, useful idiots, socialists etc, etc... But they are NOT Liberal.

FTFY. I feel that a lot of the left has no clue just how bad socialism and communism really are... A guy I knew growing up was born here but both of his parents immigrated from the Soviet Union in the late 70's. His dad had a lot of words of wisdom about Communism and just how horrible it was over there- mostly how under-appreciated a hard worker really is in a world of mediocrity and "equality".

Also, the thing I don't get about liberals (or whatever moniker you want to use for them) is how they can continue to call Republicans/Conservatives Nazis. Goes to show that Reagan was right: “It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so much that isn't so."

[Rabid]

LIBERAL TENETS
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- Security much more important then freedom

Both sides do this when it is convenient for them.

[clublights]

ALL POLITICIANS HATE AMERICA AND HATE AMERICANS. if they didnt we wouldnt be in the position we are in. they did this, not one side or the other. BOTH.

I disagree with this .....

All Politicians LOVE power and LOVE wielding said power.... the fact we are in America and are Americans is a side note.

[Singlestack]

Thanks Ronin - thats what I was looking for! I just received back from my son's (who is very much a capital L Libertarian, as Mike Rosen would describe him) friend some of what his liberal friends consider to be conservative ideals:

- Anti-minority
- Basically racist, and dedicated to defending only what white guys like
- Pro big companies and opposed to small business and the government
- Favor business growth and pollution over the environment (support for Big Oil is evidence)
- Hate poor people and are usually mean to them
- Only care about the US and not the rest of the world
- Try to demean women and even want to keep them from voting (you can't make this stuff up)
- Always try to force Christianity on others and convert them

Here are some of the Liberal ideals they came up with:
- Care about all people (kinder, more caring)
- More money for public education
- Distrust the military and people who have been in the military. Military people want to start wars
- Open minded
- Favor unions as a way to protect companies from exploiting workers. All workers should be unionized
- Conservatives who can't be taught proper thinking should be excluded from leadership roles and the government
- All viewpoints are valid and must be considered (part of open minded thinking)
- Helping minorities and the rest of the world is more important than debt/deficit
- By spending more, we can eliminate worldwide poverty

I was pretty disappointed in these results - more emotional really and not a lot of substance. However, not really surprised. Kids that age tend not to know a lot about this sort of thing, and are more swayed by easy to say emotional arguments - no explanations provided most of the time.

[Ronin13]

- Anti-minority
- Basically racist, and dedicated to defending only what white guys like

You should be disappointed. They've been spoon fed this bullshit for years! Little do these kids know, all this racism in America (from the 1850's to the 1980's) wouldn't have been nearly as bad if it wasn't for [mostly] liberal democrats. 1860's- Lincoln (R- Conservative) made slavery illegal. KKK- Liberal Democratic organization. Opposition to anti-segregation laws- Liberal Democrats. I'm not sure how things got turned around (supposedly) but what they view as conservative racism is actually pushing for individual responsibility. Is it conservatism's fault that a lot of those in poverty are minorities? Is it conservatism's fault that those minorities happen to be held down in a democratically introduced and sustained system that gives them just enough to get by, but have no hope of upward mobility? If poor folks (of ANY color) were to step up to the plate and work on improving their own lives, on their own, without relying so heavily on government assistance, then we might see the end of poverty as we currently know it, in a few generations... Maybe.