What are conservative and liberal ideals?

[Ronin13]

- Anti-minority
- Basically racist, and dedicated to defending only what white guys like

You should be disappointed. They've been spoon fed this bullshit for years! Little do these kids know, all this racism in America (from the 1850's to the 1980's) wouldn't have been nearly as bad if it wasn't for [mostly] liberal democrats. 1860's- Lincoln (R- Conservative) made slavery illegal. KKK- Liberal Democratic organization. Opposition to anti-segregation laws- Liberal Democrats. I'm not sure how things got turned around (supposedly) but what they view as conservative racism is actually pushing for individual responsibility. Is it conservatism's fault that a lot of those in poverty are minorities? Is it conservatism's fault that those minorities happen to be held down in a democratically introduced and sustained system that gives them just enough to get by, but have no hope of upward mobility? If poor folks (of ANY color) were to step up to the plate and work on improving their own lives, on their own, without relying so heavily on government assistance, then we might see the end of poverty as we currently know it, in a few generations... Maybe.

[Veritas]

I think this sums it up nicely. Not perfect, but the basic points are covered.

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/cons...beral-beliefs/

[Hound]

I think this sums it up nicely. Not perfect, but the basic points are covered.

http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/cons...beral-beliefs/

Or this one http://news-basics.com/2010/liberal-...vative-values/

I don't think either side understands the other even though when discussed at the indiviual level, both find more in common than not. There are really four (maybe six) parties in our country with the vocal minorities speaking for what we call the two parties. Squeaky wheel and all...

Going from crazy right wing to left wing crazy it goes

Tea Party/Republicans/Conservatives/Liberals/Democrats/Progressives

They get progressivly more bat-shit crazy the farther to either side with, what I believe, are most of us in the middle. The best governments have been when there is compromise between all sides but we have killed that in our day and age. A Statesman was somebody that could find a way to talk with their "enemies" to reach consensous. We don't have any statesmen anymore. And before anybody starts throwing those stones all sides are guilty. The Right almost threw us down the hole with 8 years of blind obedience to a party and not the country. The Left is in a process of following suit. The "Liberal" tenets at the beginning of this are insultingly biased but show how little both sides understand each other. We are at our best not when our side wins (we are seeing in the last 12 years what that looks like) but instead when we all listen to each others concerns and find what is "right" with each others positions. America is what should come first, not our parties.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Singlestack, I'd say you got it about right and your son's friends have a typical outcome-based education (i.e., unthinking indoctrinated regressive Socialist) view of the world. They need to forget how they feel and concentrate more on what they can demonstrate or prove -- too many colleges confuse criticism of Western establishments/culture/traditions with critical thinking.

One thing to be careful with here is that "classic liberalism" would be viewed as conservatism today.

[USAFGopherMike]

Liberalism when permitted to run amuck leads to socialism and communism. For the record, I don't like either party nor congress save a few outliers who are trying to do good things. As mentioned, your son's friend is probably a product of liberal teachings by either teachers or parents. The racism garbage is perpetuated mostly by liberals trying to spin things to get what they want, not racists conservatives.

[TFOGGER]

Conservatives believe in self reliance and personal responsibility, Liberals believe in communal reliance and collective responsibility. The flipside is that conservatives sometimes choose to impose their moral sense on others (abortion, homosexuality, etc.) and restrict behaviours that they find distasteful, where liberals often try to do the same on issues they find distasteful (guns, commerce, etc.). It is possible to be a fiscal conservative and a social liberal, or at least social libertarian. I am for dramatically reducing the size and influence of the government at all levels, personal responsibility, and personal liberty. The government has no business in my bedroom, place of business, gun safe, or anywhere else in my life that does not cause tangible harm to another person.

[SA Friday]

You forgot to add that they re both rigidly dogmatic in their respective beliefs and refuse to stray beyond their accepted construed guidelines, so if you don't fit one or the other's mold of perfection, you are screwed...

Basically, they're both filled with assholes that could care less about real agenda.

[whitbaby]

If our youth could ever start to think for themselves the differences would become evident...

Pay little attention to what a politician SAYS...watch what he DOES.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Tea Party/Republicans/Conservatives/Liberals/Democrats/Progressives

Wow, where do you get this "bat-shit crazy" (to use your words) spectrum from?

Are you trying to say social conservatives (pro-church, anti-abortion, yadda yadda yadda) are closer to self-proclaimed liberals like Al Franken or Barack Obama than to "mainstream" Democrats? or that Republicans like Chris Christie are further from Democrats like the late Sen Patrick Moynihan than conservatives like Pat Buchanan? I seriously doubt self-proclaimed conservatives like Sean Hannity would agree with you that they're more centrist than Chris Christie or closer to liberals like Nancy Pelosi than Democrats like Heidi Heitkamp.

In the first place, self-proclaimed "progressives" today are nothing more than liberals (i.e., anti-Western Marxists) trying to escape the classification they polluted 20 years ago. They are as related to Progressives of the Bull Moose Party in about the same way Democrats today are related to Thomas Jefferson's Democratic-Republican Party.

Since the Tea Party drew in fiscal conservatives from both Democratic and Republican camps (admittedly more from the Republican camp but there are precious few fiscal conservatives in the Democrat Party anyway so it may well have been a higher proportion of Democrats), you could make an argument that the Tea Party was more centrist than even eastern Republicans like Chris Christie.

[lllRorlll]

I would say that if your going to present this list to anyone, - change some verbiage ..
if I didn't know what I was reading... Or where it came from-I would think..... This dude is a conservative/ and there fore this is biased.
like for instance ... You say conservatives value "freedom trumps security"But then for the moron point of view -- you say. Security MUCH more important than freedom.
- I think that just makes the list look skewed.