Commiefornia Police Kick in Door and Taze Person Filming Them

[Bailey Guns]

My only thing now- since just about every point we've made has been beaten to death... Bailey, you like gin? Gross... Tastes like pinesol.

That's because you're young, inexperienced and naive in the ways of the world. Good gin is nectar to the gods.

On the other hand, I've never drank Pinesol so maybe I shouldn't argue that point (but if it does, maybe I could learn to like house cleaning chores). Us Air Force guys have a more discerning palette than you Army guys.

[Kraven251]

My only two comments are....Did the cops really need to endanger the people in the house with guns drawn hot? And the did the guy in house really need to endanger his family by not complying to go outside? If it were me, I would be quick to go outside and address the issue in order not to escalate the situation. I would not have let them into the house. This is a series of shitty decisions on both sides of the line.

The last guy that complied and went outside was handcuffed and had his child taken by the Cali version of DCFS. Once you step outside of your house you do give up a ton of protections.

The whole situation is bad. I also see the sides of the issue, Bailey has valid points as does Hound. The reality is they are both correct, because there needs to be a balance. Right now it is largely comply or get beat, tazed, shot. In most cases though it is beneficial to everyone to keep a cool head and comply. However, the moment you don't feel safe about a situation, call 911 or your lawyer, and put the phone on speaker.

To the point, especially with DV where the call did not come from within the residence or from a phone registered to an occupant of that address, and there is no sign of anything being amiss upon approach ( No yelling, no doors slamming, no sounds of crying, or pools of blood on the floor when you look in the window), LEO's of all varieties need to back the fuck off. Everyone fights now and then, and if the nosey neighbor just heard something that wasn't screams of "Help" or something else related to that, everyone needs to enhance some calm.

Yes someone could be bleeding out in the bedroom or the bathroom, but if we continue to give up our rights to be free and safe in our own homes, we won't be free.

[OneGuy67]

That's because you're young, inexperienced and naive in the ways of the world. Good gin is nectar to the gods.

On the other hand, I've never drank Pinesol so maybe I shouldn't argue that point (but if it does, maybe I could learn to like house cleaning chores). Us Air Force guys have a more discerning palette than you Army guys.

Yup! Good gin is wonderful. A really good gin can be drank straight, chilled in a martini glass. The cheap stuff needs tonic and lots of lime!

Hey! Not all Army guys drink Pinesol; just the special ones like Ronin!

[RblDiver]

^ What kraven said. While I'm generally (read: 99/100) in favor of the police, there are a few times I most heartily disagree with their actions.

Was there more to the incident than we saw on the video? Definitely. ...But from what limited view there was, it seemed excessive (did they need to taze a guy holding a video camera? Again, perhaps he could have been holding a club in another hand so yes, but again, from the limited view...).

Was the guy an idiot? Assuredly. I would have gone out and discussed the issue with them, which probably would have diffused the situation. But, as Biden said, we in America have the right to be stupid. The Fourth was designed for a reason, and in cases of doubt, I would opt on the side of more liberty. Does that mean I think "you need a warrant in all cases?" No, but in cases where something isn't imminent, I would sure hope that would be the path to go, as outlined in the Fourth.

(Plus, anything from CA, aka the Land Where Everything Causes Cancer, raises an automatic red-flag lol)

[Hound]

The last guy that complied and went outside was handcuffed and had his child taken by the Cali version of DCFS. Once you step outside of your house you do give up a ton of protections.

The whole situation is bad. I also see the sides of the issue, Bailey has valid points as does Hound. The reality is they are both correct, because there needs to be a balance. Right now it is largely comply or get beat, tazed, shot. In most cases though it is beneficial to everyone to keep a cool head and comply. However, the moment you don't feel safe about a situation, call 911 or your lawyer, and put the phone on speaker.

To the point, especially with DV where the call did not come from within the residence or from a phone registered to an occupant of that address, and there is no sign of anything being amiss upon approach ( No yelling, no doors slamming, no sounds of crying, or pools of blood on the floor when you look in the window), LEO's of all varieties need to back the fuck off. Everyone fights now and then, and if the nosey neighbor just heard something that wasn't screams of "Help" or something else related to that, everyone needs to enhance some calm.

Yes someone could be bleeding out in the bedroom or the bathroom, but if we continue to give up our rights to be free and safe in our own homes, we won't be free.

You get it.

[Ronin13]

That's because you're young, inexperienced and naive in the ways of the world. Good gin is nectar to the gods.

On the other hand, I've never drank Pinesol so maybe I shouldn't argue that point (but if it does, maybe I could learn to like house cleaning chores). Us Air Force guys have a more discerning palette than you Army guys.

Well you do a lot more sitting that we ever will- so we need something that's easy to shoot- like Whiskey... Get in, get out, get on with the fight!

Yup! Good gin is wonderful. A really good gin can be drank straight, chilled in a martini glass. The cheap stuff needs tonic and lots of lime!

Hey! Not all Army guys drink Pinesol; just the special ones like Ronin!

Hey now! It was just one time... and there was $20 on the line. Besides, it was wet-teeshirt night at the local Joe Bar, I didn't wanna look like a wuss.

[Bailey Guns]

You get it.

No, he doesn't.

[Hound]

No, he doesn't.

It's a cop thing.... Right?

[Ronin13]

No, he doesn't.

I'm gonna have to agree with Kraven on this- while yes, there are circumstances where police have just authority to enter a home, you have to recognize that those circumstances don't exist every single time. Kraven is right, the must be a balance. Someone please explain, at what point does police showing up and wanting to talk (not relative to the OP video, I'm talking in general) mean that you HAVE to talk with them? If it's a potential DV? What if it's a simple noise complaint from a neighbor? Do you really need to even give them the time of day? Not saying ignore them, but I'd like to know, if no law is clearly broken in the LE's presence, going just off of the RP (let's just say for argument's sake that the RP is not inside the house but a neighbor), where do you draw the line between exigent circumstances and hearsay? It kind of goes to a question I had a long time ago that I never was able to find an answer, if someone were to call in a REDDI report on me (do they still do this?) and a cop shows up, what grounds does he have for stopping me if he didn't witness anything that indicates I may be intoxicated? Serious question, not trying to incite argument.

So with all this heated, emotional talk, mostly between the LEOs/Former LEOs on here and those of us who have no LE experience, but also don't like hypothetical scenarios where our rights could be trampled, let's take a step back and all agree that there's not enough info to really make a call on the OP video... I think the main point of contention here is that some of us would like clarity, if the cops show up at your door, regardless of the call, do you necessarily have to comply with their orders if there is zero evidence of a crime being or having been committed (going based on outside witness statement)? At what point is them kicking your door down justified if there is no evidence of a crime? Not trying to argue- I've never had the cops come to my door in an instance where my door could be kicked down, but I also step outside and speak with them cordially and respectfully.

[Bailey Guns]

It's a cop thing.... Right?

Wrong. It's a "law" thing.