Quote Originally Posted by Hound View Post
What you are describing here is what I would expect to be the answer. I assume you are also a LEO? It is good to hear this from one if that is the case. Agreed, we are not seeing all of what happened and there may be more but if a Judge only had this much hard evidence (and yes this is hypothetical) would I be so far off saying they should back down and get a warrant to de-escalate the situation?

Also, (again asking for understanding) don't you have to tell me what the probable cause is? It seems that is the meaning written into the 4th. If not, what is to stop a cop from searching, finding something and then backfilling their story to fit what they found?
I guess if you want to be confrontational then you can say get a warrant. There are too many variables that could or could not be present which could get a law enforcement officer into a house without a warrant. At that point, you will know if they have pc or not because they will either leave, get a warrant, or search anyways.

I usually tell most people what my pc is but you don't have to (it's just the nice thing to do). Again there are bad apples, but Integrity should stop that and if it doesn't then they will get caught up in internal affairs sooner or later.