Commiefornia Police Kick in Door and Taze Person Filming Them

[palepainter]

My only two comments are....Did the cops really need to endanger the people in the house with guns drawn hot? And the did the guy in house really need to endanger his family by not complying to go outside? If it were me, I would be quick to go outside and address the issue in order not to escalate the situation. I would not have let them into the house. This is a series of shitty decisions on both sides of the line.

[Bailey Guns]

Good come back there, it shows the intelligence of your arguments.

BFD! You can't seem to comprehend an intelligent argument so what difference does it make. You've had several current and former peace officers who've been in situations like this explain it to you over and over in great detail and you still don't get it. You ignore established policy, precedence, case law and procedures that have been explained to you over and over. I can overlook ignorance because you don't know what you don't know. But when the reality is explained to you numerous times by people who are trained and experienced and you ignore that and continue with your ridiculous arguments you've crossed the line from ignorant to stupid.

Stupid is inexcusable.

[Hound]

My only two comments are....Did the cops really need to endanger the people in the house with guns drawn hot? And the did the guy in house really need to endanger his family by not complying to go outside? If it were me, I would be quick to go outside and address the issue in order not to escalate the situation. I would not have let them into the house. This is a series of shitty decisions on both sides of the line.

I fully agree with this statement.

[Hound]

BFD! You can't seem to comprehend an intelligent argument so what difference does it make. You've had several current and former peace officers who've been in situations like this explain it to you over and over in great detail and you still don't get it. You ignore established policy, precedence, case law and procedures that have been explained to you over and over. I can overlook ignorance because you don't know what you don't know. But when the reality is explained to you numerous times by people who are trained and experienced and you ignore that and continue with your ridiculous arguments you've crossed the line from ignorant to stupid.

Stupid is inexcusable.

Got it, Always bow down to the cop. Stupid to do otherwise in this Free Country we call America. Bailey your America scares me but your'e right, cops own America. Keep feeding those that believe in a police state! (Either side)

I on the other hand think most cops are here to Protect and Serve. We still live under all of the Constitution including the 4th. Government powers are limited, including cops. Citizens wanting a warrant have every RIGHT to one regardless of "established policy, precedence, case law and procedures" which have been refuted even in this thread. Heres some more:

Liberty—the freedom from unwarranted intrusion by government—is as easily lost through insistent nibbles by government officials who seek to do their jobs too well as by those whose purpose it is to oppress; the piranha can be as deadly as the shark.

Experience should teach us to be most on guard to protect liberty when the Government’s purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.

The last one sums up my feelings on this video.

[Rucker61]

Only if they can selectively delete 18 minutes at a time.

Well played, sir.

[Bailey Guns]

Got it, Always bow down to the cop. Stupid to do otherwise in this Free Country we call America. Bailey your America scares me but your'e right, cops own America. Keep feeding those that believe in a police state! (Either side)

You don't get anything. You show me one place where that sentiment (bow down to the cops) was expressed by anyone with my point of view in this argument. One place. No one ever said anything of the sort besides you, it's obvious and you know it. You can't have a rational discussion. You insist on tossing out emotional hyperbole like "bow down to the cops" and the "cops own America". You're intellectually bankrupt in this argument and your immature and irrational bullshit is really starting to push my buttons.

I've made two basic arguments in this thread:

1) There isn't enough information to make an informed decision on whether or not the police acted properly from the video. (This one can be debated because it's a matter of opinion.)

2) A warrant isn't always required to enter someone's home. (This one can't be debated regardless of your opinion. If you believe otherwise, you're wrong.)

That's it.

OK...3 basic arguments. The third being you're really being stupid on this issue. You're exactly the type of person I'd expect to see doing the same stupid shit as the guy in the video.

[OneGuy67]

Never said they had to go away and be done with it, just backoff and go get a warrant. You guys really must hate warrants? That would also be a 'WE' vote for.

If you have the power to end citizens freedom or even life.... I think cops should be on camera every second they wear the uniform. Courts are putting them in for this reason, they were put into cop cars for this reason. The truth is that in probably 99% of situatios they actually exonerate the cop. Cops deal with a lot of BS each and everyday. The video takes away any question of he-said-she-said and generally work for the cop. In those 1% times we get rid of the bad cop or make sure the right guy goes to jail.

Are there ANY cops on here that think those cops could have backed down or do we just stick with the brotherhood? That does not mean they have gone home, just backed down and gotten a warrant. Most people when asked if you can search X allow you to, some don't. That does not make them guilty or even suspect by law. Is there any scenario where the citizen does not have to bow down to the cop... If not, don't ask why people think there is a police state( as this guy states in the video). Don't give me the platitude that cops work for "us". Cops have a tough job and sometimes some people make it harder... Probably a lot of people but its not all about "Protect" there is also "Serve".

It is sad how much you are all protesting your right as cops to bust down a door because you feel like it, instead of agreeing to a calmer approach. This was not exigent, that much is clear from the video. There is a reason this thread was started and has had so many views. It was not "Hey... Look what a good job the cops did". Bailey and the rest immediatly jumped to defending the cops with "not enough to make a determination!" so..... What were you guys defending? This was questionable behavior from the beginning or it would not have been a thread (BTW it is not the only "cop doing what??" thread on this mostly conservative forum). All the cops on this thread have done is shown solidarity in the defense of that questionable act instead of a "Lessons Learned" where maybe they could have done things differently.

One last set of comments on this thread and I'll be done with this.

You really have no understanding the warrant system, case law, exigent circumstances or anything related to the topic. While there are circumstances and events which would allow for the officers to seize the residence pending a warrant, this wasn't one of them. In the event that a warrant would need to be obtained in some other circumstance, the officers will remove the people from the residence and hold the residence for the warrant. Remember, a search warrant is for the property (residence), not the people. The actions of the people are what brought the cops to the residence. For the record, I don't hate warrants. I get one to two a week signed by a judge. They have their place in our system.

Your argument that we all are sticking "to the brotherhood" or are blindly protecting other officers is naive. As stated previously, we do not like those in our profession who are bad, dirty or take shortcuts, which then prompt case law that makes our jobs more difficult. That being said, we have all been in situations not too terribly different than this one, and we are all very educated on current case law and how it pertains to us doing our job. Cherry picking certain quotes and attempting to relate them isn't case law.

The courts aren't requiring any agency to put in cameras; the use of cameras started way back in the early 90's with DUI cars. It was a VCR type system and were very expensive. As technology improved, so did the cost per unit price unit to where agencies employed them in more vehicles other than their traffic vehicles. My previous agency purchased them for all vehicles around 15 years ago, after an incident with a politically connected idiot. The line guys were slow to warm to them, but after a period of time, learned to use them to their advantage. Now, there are companies who are offering inexpensive body worn recording devices or devices within the Tasers for documenting high risk/low occurrence situations. No agency I am aware of requires their officers to use such devices, but I agree that the trend is coming.

Lastly, while you and I will disagree to the end on how enlightening that video is, I will continue to argue that it doesn't show enough to make a determination of anything. Do you know specifically what was relayed to the cops via the phone call reporting the incident? Do you know if the cops have been there previously or have had contact with the suspects previously and what that outcome was? Do you know if there was anyone else in the house or do you wish to take the word of the camera operator and require the cops to take his word as well? Do you know anything other than what that 90 seconds shows? If not, then making a judgment based upon it is ignorant.

I'm out. All yours BaileyGuns.

[Ronin13]

My only thing now- since just about every point we've made has been beaten to death... Bailey, you like gin? Gross... Tastes like pinesol.

[Bailey Guns]

I'm out. All yours BaileyGuns.

Nope...I can no longer be civil. My "Moron Meter" has been pegged.

[RblDiver]

Bailey, you like gin? Gross... Tastes like pinesol.

I always thought it tasted like bug repellent myself :P lol. I personally go for mead or rum.