New XBOX reveal

[ZERO THEORY]

So Jer, if I'm understanding you correctly, you are supportive of hardware and firmware that eliminates you from using your system in the event your internet goes out, or borrowing a game like The Last of Us or L.A. Noire from your buddy if you want a quiet weekend in? You also like the idea that if you decide to give a new FPS a try, you'll have to shell out $60+ non-refundable, even if it's a shambles. You don't want the ability to play any of the EXCELLENT games from the last generation, offline or on, and you don't have any problem with the advent of losing your hundreds of dollars worth of media during a power surge/freeze during loading/etc. because it hasn't happened before; therefore it can't and never will happen (so who needs the ability to back stuff up?)


Well, each to their own, I suppose.

[RblDiver]

I think Tim (link below) provides some good points on the whole "used" part of it. Yeah I can see lending games as potentially troubling, but since I don't really have any friends to borrow from, wouldn't be an issue for me.

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20130522 the second thread (the first is also interesting summary of the event).

[Jer]

I don't buy used games. I've never been into a GameStop. I don't care to be honest. What I do care about is my gaming experience and those who make temporary accounts to cheat and boost ruin the game for me and others who do care. This move isn't ideal I agree but at least M$ is doing something about it. I have a hard time believing that someone is willing to pay $60 for a game, $20 for a 3 month Gold account all to boost their actual account. As it is now they get a 1 month promotional code from someone (they only apply to new accounts so most throw them away) and then create a throw away account in a few minutes and use it to boost their other account using another friend. Easy to do now because you're out what... the remainder of your Gold account which could amount to $5-$10 in most cases? Now if the price to cheat is approaching $100 people will think twice. I like this. If it makes my gaming experience better... I like this. I can't stand those who cheat in video games.

BTW, I just realized that my post on page 1 was the wrong video and just repeated the video someone else posted earlier. I edited that post and here's the relevant video I meant to post:

[Ronin13]

Is cheating really that bad that something drastic needs to be done about it? I've run into boosters in COD before, but it's not like a regular occurrence. I guess, Jer, you're one of the few that doesn't shop Gamestop and doesn't rent games... but I liken this idea to Fudds- you don't care what they do because you don't buy used games/rent, but what about those that do, they're getting screwed in this deal... Think about it.

[Jer]

Is cheating really that bad that something drastic needs to be done about it? I've run into boosters in COD before, but it's not like a regular occurrence. I guess, Jer, you're one of the few that doesn't shop Gamestop and doesn't rent games... but I liken this idea to Fudds- you don't care what they do because you don't buy used games/rent, but what about those that do, they're getting screwed in this deal... Think about it.

I have thought about it & cheating affects ME directly so that's not even close to the same thing. I actually try to keep high stats so getting screwed in a game even if it's not every other game affects my personal enjoyment of the video game. I wasn't aware your idea of fun trumped my idea of fun. I'll take that into consideration next time.

[KestrelBike]

When there are games like Arma 3 on the way, and free mods for dirt-cheap old titles like Project Reality for BF2 or Day Z for Arma 2, console shooters just become laughable to me. And anything that's multiplatform is so ridiculously superior on PC that it ruins the console experience (BF3, for example, is literally unplayable on console for me). I ended up selling my PS3 and XBOX 360 because they had nothing to offer me. But the CoD/Halo/Gears crowd can at least make a stand for multiplayer console gaming.

Campaign/single player games on PC are where it becomes embarrassingly lopsided. Play Skyrim with some texture and skin mods, or try out Amnesia and it'll really put things in perspective.


Microsoft's gaming division isn't going to get a dime more of my money (and I won't buy any of their computing services/goods until they make another proper OS. Windows 8...what the f*ck is this?! Okay, I'm rambling), and neither are any of the studios who decide to take the CoD route and just release map packs and skins as new games for full price. It's really kind of funny watching console gaming surpass PC gaming, then immediately sh*t all over its constituency.

OpFlash and Arma were cool games, but they were so demanding of hardware and had such a high learning curve that only hardcore niche players would play it after ONE week, and they formed obsessed clubs that required moms-basement level of commitment that all but guaranteed player levels game wide of less than 100 people.

[Chad4000]

coming in at the end here, but when I was playing a lot of mw2, i thought sometimes I would run into somebody cheating, but could never really tell 100%....

how do you actually see it during game play? aside form the obvious stuff like dude gets 30 kills on one player or something...

[Bitter Clinger]

coming in at the end here, but when I was playing a lot of mw2, i thought sometimes I would run into somebody cheating, but could never really tell 100%....

how do you actually see it during game play? aside form tch or hackthe obvious stuff like dude gets 30 kills on one player or something...

30 and 15 is not uncommon for me. And I'm an average player. You will see cheating with glitches and hacks, if you get killed by a tomahawk through the wall at 50 paces, its a glitch or hack. I have also followed boosters into other games and just screw up thier mojo. I'm an honest player, I earned my gamerscore, never glitched, boosted or otherwise cheated. So about that gaming PC.......?

[Squeeze]

Responses in quote above. Basically people are trying to make big deals out of nothing as usual. We don't even know the full details and the interwebs is running crazy with conjecture and hearsay. At launch day if there are some crazy messed up things I will not buy one. Simple as that. As of now I have heard nothing that makes me not want to buy at least one to play next gen games on.



Meh, dedicated servers aren't all they're cracked up to be. There are downsides to them as well. Your statement about bad ass online connection couldn't be further from the truth. In fact, with 'lag compensation' you get unfair advantages for having a shitty connection and the new way to cheat is to run torrents or otherwise limit your bandwidth to get lag compensation on your side. Host advantage is a thing of the past and being host actually hurts you. Crappy internet = better lag compensation than those with high-end connections. This is quite frustrating to those who pay more for higher bandwidth when someone stealing McDonald's WiFi has a 'better' connection. Search YouTube, plenty of video about this and it's the single biggest problem with this game. They next thing is matchmaking, host selection and host migration. If they're so sure of their lag compensation feature they need to select host based on how many times the person has quit out of games. I play with a pretty solid squad and rather than give hose to the best connection like they used to they lean on lag compensation and give host to the shitty players. When our team starts winning good players start quitting out one by one so we end up waiting about 3-4 times every stinking game for host migrations until one of us finally gets it so as they back out the game continues. A large portion of the time the game drops entirely which is frustrating as all get out. Also, being throw into a game where you have zero possible chance of winning (mathematically impossible) when you're on a win streak is idiotic and should never happen. Also easily fixed. Treyarch sucks giant donkey balls for countless reasons but giving an advantage to those who play a lot or have a good connection isn't one of them. In fact, the more you play the more you realize how much Treyarch actually favors the new or casual player with a shitty barely-there connection.

I disagree. I've played on teams that had host, did not experience lag and we dominated. To the point you mentioned - the other team quit altogether. I play BF 3 on EA's dedicated servers - NO lag issues and the game runs smooth as silk. My internet is 1 rung above crap and every f**king time I am on the opposite team (who doesn't have host), I get destroyed. Treyarch could clean this up and make the game more enjoyable but they refuse to believe there is a problem. Again, the new CoD won't be getting my $$$ unless they fix this crap. The game is nothing more than an arcade shooter. Hopefully they're done re-inventing the wheel and give us something relatively new.

[Jer]

I disagree. I've played on teams that had host, did not experience lag and we dominated. To the point you mentioned - the other team quit altogether. I play BF 3 on EA's dedicated servers - NO lag issues and the game runs smooth as silk. My internet is 1 rung above crap and every f**king time I am on the opposite team (who doesn't have host), I get destroyed. Treyarch could clean this up and make the game more enjoyable but they refuse to believe there is a problem. Again, the new CoD won't be getting my $$$ unless they fix this crap. The game is nothing more than an arcade shooter. Hopefully they're done re-inventing the wheel and give us something relatively new.

Don't take my word for it, do some searching online and you will see plenty of discussion and video backing me up from those with the technical data and broken down code to back up what I've experienced in my (way too much) playing of this game.