July 1st must have gun

[Jer]

Agreed but the KSG is one of the guns that skirts this. No tube is longer than 28" and there is nothing saying they have to be added together. (Not saying tubes are mags but) It would be like having an AR15 that could hold two Pmags at the same time with a selector switch between them. That is part of what makes the KSG so cool.

Kid is also correct in that if you have it before the first this is all academic which fits wonderfully with the thread topic.

That bold word above is the key and is the basis of legal wrangling. Sure it doesn't HAVE to be added but it CAN and that is the key. Just like a 33rd Glock mag doesn't HAVE to be loaded to 33rds but it can. Just because you have 15rds or less in it doesn't suddenly make it legal. Considering how easily the KSG can be switched between tubes versus how long it takes to stuff shells back into a single tube to equal the same round count (since reload time to subdue the assailant appears to be all these idiots are concerned with) I have a feeling this will not make the cut.

[Hound]

That bold word above is the key and is the basis of legal wrangling. Sure it doesn't HAVE to be added but it CAN and that is the key. Just like a 33rd Glock mag doesn't HAVE to be loaded to 33rds but it can. Just because you have 15rds or less in it doesn't suddenly make it legal. Considering how easily the KSG can be switched between tubes versus how long it takes to stuff shells back into a single tube to equal the same round count (since reload time to subdue the assailant appears to be all these idiots are concerned with) I have a feeling this will not make the cut.

Showing another big problem with these laws. I think we are still ok but niether of us will know until this goes to court. To be clear though this what was signed into law:

(II) A FIXED, TUBULAR SHOTGUN MAGAZINE THAT HOLDS MORE THAN TWENTY-EIGHT INCHES OF SHOTGUN SHELLS, INCLUDING ANY EXTENSION DEVICE THAT IS ATTACHED TO THE MAGAZINE AND HOLDS ADDITIONAL SHOTGUN SHELLS; OR
(III) A NONTUBULAR, DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, BOX, DRUM, FEED STRIP, OR SIMILAR DEVICE THAT IS CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING MORE THAN EIGHT SHOTGUN SHELLS WHEN COMBINED WITH A FIXED MAGAZINE.

the KSG has neither a 28" tube, any extension attached to the tube or anything else that is capable of handling more than 8 shotgun shells of 3.5" length. That last part would require going back to the hearing for the 3.5" length but I was there and remember that being where the 28" comes from.

We "should" be good to go but only the courts will know for sure.. Shame we even have to have this discussion.

BTW: for all the stupidity they did not got the NY route and limit the number of bullets on the potential for what can be held. In NY you can only have 10rd mags and then only loaded to 7rds. Here we are only limited to 15rd mags but no limit on how much we put in them.

[MarkCO]

BUT, you are incorrect. 28" tube is not the criteria...it is "holds more than 28 inches". A 30" tube, with spring and follower is right on the edge. 29.5" tube, with follower and spring won't take more than 28" of shells. It is the summed length of the shells!

[lex137]

Scar 17 with suppressor or just about any gun that was ment to hold more than 10 rd.

[Hound]

Not a 'must have' but I've been looking to fill out my 9mm Grock collection (26, 19, 17, 34, 17L). All I'm lacking at this point is the 19.

Galaxy Note II + Tapatalk 2

It's like collecting card for you? Nice.

[waxthis]

My first firearm.

[brokenscout]

I like your style,lol

Mark 19 or a Ma Deuce.

Belt feds are affected by that limit on 'magazine' size as well.

[Dingo]

I have all my "must haves", and am working on one more "want to have". :-)

[Robby30-06]

http://www.armslist.com/posts/138527...ning-semi-auto

Yes! That would do quite nicely to keep the mule deer out of my garden......thanks.

[Slapps74]

Kriss Vector and a M-1216 shotgun.