The anti Tancredo thread..

[def90]

Ok, so Tancredo lost before.. does anyone really think he can win again? How many politicians have ran winning campaigns after they have already lost once/twice?

Some argue that the vote was split, Hickenlooper got 50.7% of the vote, Tancredo got 36.8% and Maes got 11.1%.. Even if Tancredo got the entire GOP vote he still lost 50.7% to 47.9%...

Also if anyone thinks that anyone that truly voted for Hickenlooper and is now upset about it is actually going to now vote for Tancredo they are living in a fantasy world.

The Reps need a fresh (no history), young (anti-establishment old white guys club), articulate (can state a position without referring to a bible verse), open minded face.. running the same old same old is going to end with the same result. I have yet to see who that person is.


Tell me I'm wrong and FLAME ON..

[Zundfolge]

Ok, so Tancredo lost before.. does anyone really think he can win again? How many politicians have ran winning campaigns after they have already lost once/twice?

Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, Teddy Roosevelt ... that's just Presidents I could think of off the top of my head, there's actually a long list (that includes more than Presidents). ETA: John effing Morse

Some argue that the vote was split, Hickenlooper got 50.7% of the vote, Tancredo got 36.8% and Maes got 11.1%.. Even if Tancredo got the entire GOP vote he still lost 50.7% to 47.9%...

Also if anyone thinks that anyone that truly voted for Hickenlooper and is now upset about it is actually going to now vote for Tancredo they are living in a fantasy world.

GOP turnout was historically low too ... I believe the acrimony and in-fighting in the party coupled with a truly horrible GOP candidate (Maes is a liar and an idiot that should probably not be allowed to feed himself let alone ever been put on the ballot) caused a ton of short sighted Republicans to sit home and allow Hick to waltz into office. Furthermore I've talked to at least three Democrats that are so angry with Hick over the gun laws and letting Dunlap off the hook that they will be voting for whomever the Republicans put up no matter who, so yes there are Hick voters that will vote for Tancredo.

The Reps need a fresh (no history), young (anti-establishment old white guys club), articulate (can state a position without referring to a bible verse), open minded face.. running the same old same old is going to end with the same result. I have yet to see who that person is.

As long as you're not saying that the GOP needs to run a moderate instead of a conservative I agree somewhat ... "open minded" is a bad thing if it means "no core principals" or "wishy-washy moderate that likes to reach across the isle".

Tell me I'm wrong and FLAME ON..

You're wrong

[def90]

As long as you're not saying that the GOP needs to run a moderate instead of a conservative I agree somewhat ... "open minded" is a bad thing if it means "no core principals"

You're wrong

"open minded" and "no core principals" are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Good flame though.. I am not a Tancredo fanboy by any means and it saddens me to think that he is our only hope. I would wait to see what those "ex" Hickenloopers voters really do at the polls next year though before forming to much of an opinion on them, I find that this is a frequent refrain that seldomly holds true. Much like all of the "undecided" voters in the last election the second someone brings up abortion at the 13th hour they will all be running back to the cause like their heads are cut off.

[bryjcom]

Ok, so Tancredo lost before.. does anyone really think he can win again? How many politicians have ran winning campaigns after they have already lost once/twice?

Some argue that the vote was split, Hickenlooper got 50.7% of the vote, Tancredo got 36.8% and Maes got 11.1%.. Even if Tancredo got the entire GOP vote he still lost 50.7% to 47.9%...

Also if anyone thinks that anyone that truly voted for Hickenlooper and is now upset about it is actually going to now vote for Tancredo they are living in a fantasy world.

The Reps need a fresh (no history), young (anti-establishment old white guys club), articulate (can state a position without referring to a bible verse), open minded face.. running the same old same old is going to end with the same result. I have yet to see who that person is.


Tell me I'm wrong and FLAME ON..

It always depends on turnout.

I'm thinking the conservative side is going to turn out well next election. Hatred is a very effective mobilizer. There was no pissed off conservatives last gov election.

The best way to make conservatives stay home is to run a moderate. You will always have the partisan republican voters who will vote R no matter what. What we need is the principled libertarian types that usually vote their principles only. If you run a moderate, the libertarians stay home and the lemmings go and vote as usual. If you run a principled conservative, then the libertarians come out and vote, along with the lemmings.

[Aloha_Shooter]

It's funny, no matter who runs for the Republicans, he or she will be assailed as both too conservative and not conservative enough at the same time. The Democrats are laughing and planning to increase nanny government in complete defiance of the Constitution while "moderate" Republicans are throwing tantrums about Tea Party Republicans, social conservatives are griping about RINOs, and Libertarians are crying about all of them.

[Great-Kazoo]

OK YOU'RE WRONG.
Where were you when tancredo ran? I ask because hopefully you realize he was dissed by the R's over IMMIGRATION. SOME of the Moderate R's felt his stance was not in line with the potential hispanic voters who the R's thought would cross over based on the upcoming "Gay Marriage" bruhaha & Family Values.
What the R's didn't, or fail to realize is The Hispanic voter [ in general] is use to Big Government taking care of them. They are coddled in Mexico by BG why loose that "comfort zone" here in CO / America? Anyone other then a D will never garner enough Hispanic or Minority votes in the past or the future.

Since Tancredo is running, either they accept him [ which i doubt] and go with Brophy (a good choice) or gessler. They, like Tancredo, have baggage, which the D's and left wing smear campaign will flaunt every where.

If the R's snub T expect to see him run as a 3rd party candidate . Which unfortunately will give use more of the same. Come election day 2014, we will either remain in CO or be going to phase 2 of relocation

[Hound]

It's funny, no matter who runs for the Republicans, he or she will be assailed as both too conservative and not conservative enough at the same time. The Democrats are laughing and planning to increase nanny government in complete defiance of the Constitution while "moderate" Republicans are throwing tantrums about Tea Party Republicans, social conservatives are griping about RINOs, and Libertarians are crying about all of them.

What you are saying is that Republicans are their own worst enemy.... You got it. Between woman like rape/can control pregnancy (woman are gone), no taxes for the rich claiming socialism/communism,etc (those caring about the economy are gone(BTW, it is not mutually exclusive to also rein in spending)), the bible says your'e not one of us (most of the young vote) and just your'e not one of us (calling people who agree with you on some things but not others libtards, socialists, etc (everybody else) the pessimists are creating a self fulfilling prophecy. Yup.... You got it.

Bryjcom..... You also got it. Single point issues have turned many elections because people were pissed about X issue. Turnout goes up for a base and the swing vote... Well swings. Assuming that just because a person previously voted one way they will ALWAYS vote that way...hum.... Again self fulling prophecy.

Republicans need to get a bigger tent not smaller. Run a candidate that brings more people in not chase them off expecting only the "pure bloods" to carry the day. Now watch them .... And prove my point.

[Aloha_Shooter]

No, anti-Socialists are their own worst enemies. With "friends" adopting Dem talking points like "no taxes for the rich" or "they say 'you're not one of us'" and citing individual idiots as if that was a party platform, why would the Dems need to do anything? Republicans haven't run as small as tent as you're claiming and got people claiming to be the base who refused to go because "John McCain/Mitt Romney isn't conservative enough". Republicans did more to put Hispanics in office than Dems, appointed more African-Americans to high office than Obama and still get morons claiming they're exclusionary.

People who repeat that garbage are as much a part of the problem as Obama, Pelosi or Reid -- hell, they're worse because they should know how bad the Dem agenda is but they still can't keep from taking pot shots because the Republican Party doesn't espouse all of their talking points. Some of you bitching about the direction the state or country has gone should look in the mirror, you'll find the reason for the decline there.

[jerrymrc]

My personal opinion is that just like the dems constantly trying to do an end-around on the 2nd the repubs need to leave Roe VS Wade alone.

[mountainjenny]

My personal opinion is that just like the dems constantly trying to do an end-around on the 2nd the repubs need to leave Roe VS Wade alone.

They would pick up more voters doing this. For most of the women I know Roe V. Wade is a single vote issue and as long as they feel republicans are going to try and overturn it or have over turning it as a secret agenda, they will not even consider voting for the party.

I can completely understand where they are coming from. I feel the same about gun rights. I don't trust the democrats on the issue of gun rights, not even the "pro-gun" democrats.