The anti Tancredo thread..

[Bailey Guns]

I think both parties have become too extreme. The blame is on both sides.

I'd really like to see your explanation of this statement. I can see where the left has taken the democrat party to the extreme left (though most dems don't seem to see it that way). But, how exactly, has the republican party become too extreme? Most republicans I know think the republican party has moved to far towards the center and won't take a steadfast stance on traditionally conservative American ideals.

[Bailey Guns]

No, anti-Socialists are their own worst enemies. With "friends" adopting Dem talking points like "no taxes for the rich" or "they say 'you're not one of us'" and citing individual idiots as if that was a party platform, why would the Dems need to do anything? Republicans haven't run as small as tent as you're claiming and got people claiming to be the base who refused to go because "John McCain/Mitt Romney isn't conservative enough". Republicans did more to put Hispanics in office than Dems, appointed more African-Americans to high office than Obama and still get morons claiming they're exclusionary.

People who repeat that garbage are as much a part of the problem as Obama, Pelosi or Reid -- hell, they're worse because they should know how bad the Dem agenda is but they still can't keep from taking pot shots because the Republican Party doesn't espouse all of their talking points. Some of you bitching about the direction the state or country has gone should look in the mirror, you'll find the reason for the decline there.

They should, but they won't. Many excellent points.

[jerrymrc]

My personal opinion is that just like the dems constantly trying to do an end-around on the 2nd the repubs need to leave Roe VS Wade alone.

[mountainjenny]

My personal opinion is that just like the dems constantly trying to do an end-around on the 2nd the repubs need to leave Roe VS Wade alone.

They would pick up more voters doing this. For most of the women I know Roe V. Wade is a single vote issue and as long as they feel republicans are going to try and overturn it or have over turning it as a secret agenda, they will not even consider voting for the party.

I can completely understand where they are coming from. I feel the same about gun rights. I don't trust the democrats on the issue of gun rights, not even the "pro-gun" democrats.

[Hound]

They would pick up more voters doing this. For most of the women I know Roe V. Wade is a single vote issue and as long as they feel republicans are going to try and overturn it or have over turning it as a secret agenda, they will not even consider voting for the party.

I can completely understand where they are coming from. I feel the same about gun rights. I don't trust the democrats on the issue of gun rights, not even the "pro-gun" democrats.

Agreed: Niether side has any trust of the other and we, as a country, are very divided. Nobody seems to be capable of listening.

[bogie]

Right-wing extremism is usually associated with evangelical pandering, and I think they are in the minority. However the right-wing and left-wing extremism is different. Case in point: Jesus didn't arm guerrillas to fight the Romans. Yet guerrilla insurgency has become a core tenet of socialism.

The party needs to move back to the right to be successful. This middle of the road crap has been their doom. Tancredo more or less would take things right, which is what is needed. He would do well to maintain his stances but keep his faith to himself. He is also practical on the immigration issue, whereas other republicans have gone soft to pander the latino vote. They will never have the illegals "future votes" because they are not a party of free meal tickets. Tancredo realizes this and I'll take him over a Coors or Maes any day because of it.

[MarkCO]

The Reps need a fresh (no history), young (anti-establishment old white guys club), articulate (can state a position without referring to a bible verse), open minded face.. running the same old same old is going to end with the same result. I have yet to see who that person is.


Tell me I'm wrong and FLAME ON..

Not that you are "wrong", just totally ignorant about how politics works, which is what got us to the terrible place we are. The "establishment" pays the bills...Young, articulate and open-minded...sounds like you are describing who the libs want to vote for...which will be a lib. People with principles, who know right from wrong and who will abide by the constitution and are NOT open minded nor anti-establishment. The majority of Americans don't want ANYONE to tell them what is right or wrong, unless they agree with it. That is the product of liberalism in our schools and courts. I see you are from Boulder, so maybe this concept of absolute right and wrong are foreign to you.

FWIW, if you look are core principles of the DNC and RNC platforms, the DNC has moved to the left more in the last 15 years than any party move in history while the RNC has moved slowly towards the middle. I get that some people hate Christians and want morality out of the RNC platform. However, I am not sure why a R candidate won't say something to the effect of...

"I will enforce the laws of the land through the appropriate Executive branch resources. The legislative branch creates laws and the judicial branch interprets those laws. I will work to lead the Nation (State) through the troubled waters created by those before me who have skewed the lines of the roles of government and increased the governments reach and power into our lives beyond what the constitution provided. My ultimate plan, to reduce the pressure on all citizens that government has created in the past 15 years..." That is it. Say it with conviction and honesty and that will be the WINNER!

All the "bad stuff" regardless of morality or political persuasion, decreases in times of prosperity and personal responsibility.

[Great-Kazoo]

Not that you are "wrong", just totally ignorant about how politics works, which is what got us to the terrible place we are. The "establishment" pays the bills...Young, articulate and open-minded...sounds like you are describing who the libs want to vote for...which will be a lib. People with principles, who know right from wrong and who will abide by the constitution and are NOT open minded nor anti-establishment. The majority of Americans don't want ANYONE to tell them what is right or wrong, unless they agree with it. That is the product of liberalism in our schools and courts. I see you are from Boulder, so maybe this concept of absolute right and wrong are foreign to you.

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Combine his location with the FIRST L&P thread 1 year before the elections, to attack a candidate without understanding why Tancredo did not get the Nod from the R's.Or why he ran ad a 3rd party candidate is why CO is in the political shitter today.

It seems [ to me] the newer members all have this "liberal / defeatist" attitude. Oh WOE is Me mentality.
Nor has the OP proposed R candidate that fits his ideologue. I'd like to know who the OP deems worthy for said position.

[Ronin13]

"I will enforce the laws of the land through the appropriate Executive branch resources. The legislative branch creates laws and the judicial branch interprets those laws. I will work to lead the Nation (State) through the troubled waters created by those before me who have skewed the lines of the roles of government and increased the governments reach and power into our lives beyond what the constitution provided. My ultimate plan, to reduce the pressure on all citizens that government has created in the past 15 years..." That is it. Say it with conviction and honesty and that will be the WINNER!

All the "bad stuff" regardless of morality or political persuasion, decreases in times of prosperity and personal responsibility.

I agree that this would be a winner, but in modern politics you have to appeal to those willing to spend some coin on your campaign, and that means promises and all that to those financiers. The key is having a candidate that will know which ones to go with and which ones to turn down. I agree with Jim, so many people these days are ready to surrender before the battle even starts. We're still in the "I'm going to consider becoming a candidate" stage, not even close to the appeal to the masses parts. I honestly think this defeatist attitude is pretty cowardly. Almost along the lines of "They're eventually gonna win anyway, we might as well sell/lose/get rid of all our guns now and save a headache later." This time around could be completely different from last time, considering we've seen what Hick is capable of doing and people are pissed. You never know, there might be a huge backing for "anyone who runs against Hick"- if he even runs again.

[def90]

The "establishment" pays the bills...Young, articulate and open-minded...sounds like you are describing who the libs want to vote for...which will be a lib. People with principles, who know right from wrong and who will abide by the constitution and are NOT open minded nor anti-establishment. The majority of Americans don't want ANYONE to tell them what is right or wrong, unless they agree with it. That is the product of liberalism in our schools and courts. I see you are from Boulder, so maybe this concept of absolute right and wrong are foreign to you.

So you are saying that it is not possible for a republican to be young, articulate and open minded? Rand Paul doesn't fit this bill to you? OK, go ahead and push for Tancredo or vote for another old white guy, we will see where that gets you.

Have no idea what being from Boulder means or why it matters. Boulder has it's share of republicans and conservatives, just because I enjoy being close to the mountains rather than live in Brighton or Parker doesn't make me a liberal.