Help me tear apart this frightening video.

[<MADDOG>]

Instead of all of the shit talking going on here, most likely by guys who have no idea what they are talking about, why not give some advice or offer solutions to help a Colorado Firearms business out?

+1

I don't know how many people in this forum have actually trained in room/building clearing, let alone actually done it under conditions; but as always, there seems to be quite a bit of armchair quarterbacking...

And no, I am not saying what they are doing is right; but how many on this forum actually know what they are doing wrong?

Edit: and if you don't think "sweeps" happen, that's the first indicator.

[fitz19d]

You're right they happen. Any video of just troops in Afghan moving around you see it. The difference is for it to be a class with at least one "noobie" that kind of thing is far from safe. It's something several non gun owners that have seen it can recognize and cringe.

Some may be too much arm chair, but in this community there is certainly enough who this is their profesion to be able to say that is headline news waiting to happen.

[TFOGGER]

Perhaps the students would be better served using paintball guns to train under these conditions, so that mistakes are merely painful and embarrassing, rather than potentially fatal. No doubt, sweeps DO occur under extreme training conditions by highly trained individuals, but it quickly becomes obvious that these students were NOT that advanced. I have essentially no experience and may be way off base, but in any other skilled discipline, you learn to walk before you run in the Olympics...

[HoneyBadger]

Edit: and if you don't think "sweeps" happen, that's the first indicator.

I stand behind everything I said in post #82.

[<MADDOG>]

I stand behind everything I said in post #82.

I stand behind everything I said in post #82.

Both of you gentlemen are correct.

What I AM trying to point out is those on the forum, are those with little or knowledge of any given subject (pick your poison), interjecting his/her $.02 worth. And it happens forum-wide; let it be LE issues, Remington is better than Savage, 9 vs 40. etc, etc...

And again, I am not saying what they are doing is wrong or right. And my short rant begins here: unless you have LE/military experience in these matters, or any other subject matter while I am it (and no, NRA "certification" does not qualify you), you need to put the X-box away and/or turn off the You-Tube, get away from the paper silhouette at 100 yards, sit down, and shut the fuck up. You have no experience or justification to comment on anything.

At the end of the day, I have far more respect for these Paul Blart mall cops over shit talkers, because at least they try to train (however bad it may be), which is probably more than a majority on this forum. If one of these guys catches it in the brain-bucket, so be it. At least they died training and/or doing what they liked/loved instead of ridiculing people on the internet. <rant over>.

If this offends you; pound sand. I hit the audience I was targeting...

[newracer]

They must really not like those T-shirts.

[airborneranger]

At the end of the day, I have far more respect for these Paul Blart mall cops over shit talkers, because at least they try to train (however bad it may be), which is probably more than a majority on this forum. If one of these guys catches it in the brain-bucket, so be it. At least they died training and/or doing what they liked/loved instead of ridiculing people on the internet. <rant over>.

This is actually pretty funny. You have more respect for those who train like tools and actually put their lives in danger? Give me a freaking break. That video just made me laugh at loud at how ridiculous and dangerous it was for all of those involved. It is a perfect example of Xbox gamers thinking that they can transfer that bullshit into some sort of tactical training.

The negative posts in this thread have been absolutely spot-on whether or not these folks have actual "CQB" experience is not relevant. You don't need any to see that this video is complete crap.

On another note, just because you are law enforcement (SWAT) or in the military DOES NOT mean that you have actual CQB experience. I have witnessed good SWAT and absolute shit SWAT over the years. The same goes for the military. There are very few units that are proficient in CQB due to the amount of time and training it takes to achieve any level of proficiency.

Continue to defend this crap because it makes my days go by faster.

[Cylinder Head]

At the end of the day, I have far more respect for these Paul Blart mall cops over shit talkers, because at least they try to train (however bad it may be), which is probably more than a majority on this forum. If one of these guys catches it in the brain-bucket, so be it. At least they died training and/or doing what they liked/loved instead of ridiculing people on the internet. <rant over>.

If this offends you; pound sand. I hit the audience I was targeting...

First of all, check the title of the thread. OP is doing the community a service by making sure Tactical Fatty isn't armed. The day that guy manages to channel Travis Haley instead of Clarice Starling while clearing a cardboard room is the day I will refrain from commenting.

[Irving]

I have a real question. What is the preferred "ready" position with a pistol when sharing a space with other people? I can see why they are holding their guns vertical so as to not sweep the others, but I was under the impression that was kind of old school thinking.

If people want to be productive with this thread, let's start there.

[spqrzilla]

MADDOG, you could not be more wrong. The video shows that the "training" is badly and recklessly done. Their basics are wrong. They orient in rooms incorrectly, they engage incorrectly and their weapons handling is incorrect and all of it is flat out dangerous. Competent training instils those basics and hones them before having them demonstrate it with live weapons.

And you can put your sand back where you found it - in yer britches.