Already posted, don't waste your time.Originally Posted by Colorado_Outback
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“Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.
Doh. I see it now, couldn't remember that dudes name.
To paraphrase Master Yoda of the Jedi Order: Shoot, or shoot not; there is no "warning".
Light a fire for a man, and he'll be warm for a day, light a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life...
Discussion is an exchange of intelligence. Argument is an exchange of
ignorance. Ever found a liberal that you can have a discussion with?
Snipping that quote cause it's huge.
1) If a guy is put in life/death situations, for his country, and then put in the same situation under different conditions, he is going to respond the same way UNLESS he is trained otherwise.
How many vets are coming back and training like that? If I'm on that jury he gets that consideration when the defense brings it up.
2) The reason I said "decent folks" wasn't to malign you. There are old school people who believe in warning shots because they believe they should do everything possible to avoid a shoot before shooting. It wasn't so long ago in this state, warning shots were commonly used to scare off cattle thieves.
3) In my hypothetical situation, the criminal (home invader) should be charged under the "felony murder rule."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule
In CO, criminal tresspass = felony
The reason for this law is pretty straight forward... If a person is killed during the commission of a crime, even if the criminal didn't intend for him to be killed and didn't directly kill him, the criminal is criminally liable for that murder. The criminal put these events into motion--and he had a thousand opportunities to rethink that.
4) I agree there are consequences, but this is a little ridiculous. If the vet heard fireworks and went nuts, that's one thing. This vet was initiating a rational, albeit techincally illegal, response to a real and deadly threat. There was a time when LE understood they have a level of discretion they may exercise.
5) I agree, ignorance is no excuse, however our modern legal system is a complete mess. This guy had fractions of a second to react and it was late at night.
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In my mind, I have a hard time finding fault with someone who responds to violent crime (or the intent of violent crime) provided the response is the slightest bit reasonable. I think this puts an unfair burden on law abiding people when the criminal has no such burdens. In this case, the criminal was a wanted felon. Why do we have a legal microscope over the vet/shooter and yet never examine the failures of the criminal justice system in putting that felon on the street in the first place?
That DA is going to put the vet on trial and ask for a conviction when his office was likely repsonsible for the violent felon being released.
This criminal was also wanted for burglary and assault. He wasn't there to chat--so why did LE give him the benefit of the doubt by saying “there was nothing that the suspect was doing that was aggressive enough to justify the shooting.”
This doesn't seem right to me at all.
I sincerely hope if I am ever in that situation, I have enough wits about me to respond correctly. And more importantly, consult an attorney before providing a statement beyond "he tried to break in, I was in fear of my life, and I fired my weapon at him."
If I were the defense attorney, I'd subpoena Biden and have him requote his instructions to the country.
Te occidere possunt sed te edere non possunt nefas est
Sane person with a better sight picture
Yep. Would save the homeowner and the taxpayers tons. If you're dumb enough to be a criminal, you're dumb enough to die in my living room.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day."
Dang good points, and you have me re thinking my harshness for the VET. F'n criminal caused the issue, not the vet. I now agree with you, even if the vet's judgement wasn't the best at the time. Hope the prosecution sees it that way as well.
If the two people are close enough to hear each other, then the verbal warning is already the warning. If you use a verbal warning, then put out a "warning shot" as a second warning, you are just showing that you weren't willing to make good on your first warning, and probably won't on the second either.
"There are no finger prints under water."
Thompson should sue Biden.
Last edited by Superorb; 05-31-2013 at 13:39.
VETERAN’S AR-15 CONFISCATED BY POLICE- And he's facing criminal charges!
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"An individual is only entiteld to one's rights as long as one respects the rights of others."...R.F.
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