1224 and magazine extensions for mags that were already >15 capacity

[ANADRILL]

my idea isn't trying to be excessive, just using a gov't entity to fight against a gov' entity..the reciept idea is excessive

[def90]

Just trying to decide whether to split the budget between mags and extensions or just get the mags now and add extensions later. As much as I hate to admit it, even to myself, the July 1 deadline is driving some purchases.

The dead horse is sufficiently beaten on whether or not the laws are constitutional, enforceable or will be enforced.

Newly possessing mags that are "extendable" or easily converted are illegal after the 1st. Constructing a magazine over ?15 rounds is also illegal after the 1st. I have a feeling that as vague as the law is that adding an extension is basically "constructing" a mag over 15 rounds.

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[Great-Kazoo]

I would actually agree with all of this.
But, to that point, would you or would you rather not have some sort of proof? Not at All. I very rarely keep or kept records. I know where all my firearms have come from. Habit from the late 60's early 70's

To Trot - yeah, OK, so let's say LATER I produce said evidence. With attorney. If they're going down to the falsified / BS / whatever road on my full press, I'm kind of screwed anyway.

I'm not trying to convince you to keep anything or not keep anything. Keep a yellow newspaper from June 30 if you want. :shrug: I'm merely agreeing keeping all these receipts seem pretty reasonable to me.
Did you or did you not have possession of this before July 1? I say I did, and this little piece of paper seems to agree. Now, what evidence shall we produce against that then?


Edit: Why would you not want to keep records for yourself anyway?

See first reply. Force of habit. Outside of the NFA items, who needs them? Your an adult do what your gut tells you to do.
My "feeling / Opinion" IF and when some .gov entity wants you. It doesn't mean shit how much paperwork, pictures, witness, sworn depositions, character references etc. You are Fucked. Seen it more than 1 time. You're on their list, pay the atty and hope you get less then 366 days.

YMMV

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

See first reply. Force of habit. Outside of the NFA items, who needs them?

Well, me, I guess. Other than Amazon purchases (where returns are downloadable) and consumables, I keep them.
I've returned two firearms (one defective Springfield Armory to mfg, one broken war surplus to shop I purchased). Made much easier with the receipt.
I've returned expensive running shoes, made warranty claims on bikes, etc. Just today my wife called warranty on our keurig #3. I guess I still have some OCD / pharmacist in me on record keeping.
I don't even reload but I track every shot, number every magazine, and keep range notes. To each his own, though.

My "feeling / Opinion" IF and when some .gov entity wants you. It doesn't mean shit how much paperwork, pictures, witness, sworn depositions, character references etc. You are Fucked. Seen it more than 1 time. You're on their list, pay the atty and hope you get less then 366 days.

But this I agree with. Try as I might to stay on the straight and narrow.

[Dingo]

All that organization makes my head hurt. I'm with Jim on this one - meticulous records aren't going to put the dogs off one's trail once Big Brother is sniffing. If evidence of wrong doing wasn't found, it would be manufactured/planted. The only records I keep are of my reloads. Since I sold all of my guns, I don't need to keep track of those anymore.

[def90]

What it comes down to is that they can arrest you or seize your mags/guns for any reason. Sure the onus is on them to prove in court that you did not possess them before July 1st but who is going to spend the money (hundreds, maybe even thousands of $$) and hire a lawyer for a $20 item?

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

All that organization makes my head hurt. I'm with Jim on this one - meticulous records aren't going to put the dogs off one's trail once Big Brother is sniffing. If evidence of wrong doing wasn't found, it would be manufactured/planted. The only records I keep are of my reloads. Since I sold all of my guns, I don't need to keep track of those anymore.

It isn't for them, it is for me. Some folks relax otherwise, I guess I need that kind of structure in life.
I also enjoy scoring baseball games on paper, and track calories and macronutrients vs. everything garmin will give me for workouts. But I digress.
That said, those things are borderline unusual, I'd still maintain keeping receipts for bigger ticket items is just prudent.

[Irving]

I think his concern is that the whole point of the trust is that it is legally another entity so there's a transfer of ownership (prohibited by stupid poorly-written law) even when possession remains the same. That's yet another example of how poorly written the laws are so I understand why he's asking.

Your other points about the prosecutor having the burden to prove a transgression and just shutting up are valid.

Yes exactly, thank you. The second part of my post was facetious.