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Manning may very well be a traitor, and I believe that he is. But my point is that not everyone who leaks negative things about the .gov is a traitor.
on this fact i agree . like everything in life i try to pass judgment on a case by case basses . in this case let the little weasel be some inmates sex toyOriginally Posted by lowspeed_highdrag
for awhile before he hangs
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I've seen so many Apache videos, and it's damn near impossible, on the surface, to tell exactly what they are targeting (although weapons are clearly visible in most, and I do know the sea of red tape a pilot has to wade through to get permission to fire)... Manning is surely a traitor and deserves to die a traitor's death. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Try him, if guilty (I don't see how they couldn't) and then pull out the old George S. Patton ivory handle 1911 and send that PVT to the final judge.
As far as the NSA whistle blower- He saw the program as being potentially unconstitutional, not treasonous at all. ATF and IRS whistle blowers? They deserve a medal.
"There is no news in the truth, and no truth in the news."
"The revolution will not be televised... Instead it will be filmed from multiple angles via cell phone cameras, promptly uploaded to YouTube, Tweeted about, and then shared on Facebook, pending a Wi-Fi connection."
Everyone who leaks classified information is a traitor, there is no gray area! However, all negative information may or may not be classified.
In that case, some traitors do the nation a great service.
And I agree with you on that point as well.
As conflicted as this sounds, I agree with it.
I don't believe a government should need to keep secrets from its people. I do believe a people has every right to keep secrets from its government.
Violating a nation's laws because it's "right" doesn't really matter, it's still breaking the law, and those who do it should be held accountable for their actions. It is then up to the people to change the laws they don't agree with.
--gos
Are you serious?
Yes, there are laws against releasing classified information. Those laws are necessary and you have either broken them or you have not. The mess we find ourselves in as a country is because there are no absolutes. Everything is open to interpretation and "considering the situation", values clarification hogwash. You are either obeying the laws, or you are not. Breaking a law for the right reason is still breaking the law.
Our court systems were set up with the concept that there is a conviction AND a penalty phase. The penalty phase is where the sentencing can utilize discretion. However, our legal system has sunken to the point where the charging and trial phase are using "intent" discretion where it was never intended to be. Take a law history class and it is easy to see that where we are is nowhere close to the original intent of the US justice system.
Can I conceive of a situation where breaking a law, and taking the risk of being sentenced as a traitor might be beneficial, even preferable? Sure. But that is a different discussion.
After reading some of the wikileaks, I think the information disclosed was more embarrassing than damaging. Some of the diplomatic cables seem to be written by imbeciles. With Hillary Clinton in charge of that department what did we expect? With that said, a sentence of dishonorable discharge and time served. We need to concentrate our resources on helping wounded warriors, installation security etc. A good IT program should be able to secure this info, but I think the .gov is too busy tapping all our phone calls and reading our emails. Is Manning really any worse than the military generals allowing US citizens communications to be intercepted?
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