bikers(the gay ones not the vroom vroom kind)

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

also on a country road thats 55mph posted speed limit when your outta shape friend who is parked on the backside of a blind hill in the middle of the fucking road sending a text expect to be cursed out

This would be wrong, stupid, and dangerous.

Good luck with your "diesel swap." As someone who owns a 1-ton Cummins and has owned 3/4 ton diesel going back before that, I guess I don't see the humor in the smoke anymore.
It was great when I was about 18, though. That I admit.

I'm not sure why folks "out on a country road" are in such a hurry though. YOU both (driver and cyclist) made the decision to be, or live, out there. You needn't be in such a hurry. You can wait a few seconds for each other.
You aren't an ambulance rushing a woman in labor to the hospital. Neither of you are more important than the other.

These are my thoughts exactly! It really annoys me. Probably more than it should.

If there is one lesson or virtue from cancer I could impart upon the world it would be the self-confidence to not let what someone else is doing or their opinions annoy/affect/bother/impact your own life.

And they shave their legs.....

And there is a very good reason for this that has nothing to do with vanity. Fur pants aren't compatible with serious cycling.

why is it they have to dress up like the goddamn tour de france is in town in the smallest spandex they can find to ride there bikes?

Sitting on a bike seat for over 30 mins is very uncomfortable and if you log a lot of mile on a bike in your lifetime you can develope ED, so the shorts have a padded pelvic area that eases the pressure and they help stop chafing too. I myself don't wear tight shirts but the reason for that is so that you don't have a ton of loose clothing flapping around hitting you and making a ton if noise.

If this is true without special shorts, you have the wrong saddle.
Much like the legs, the clothes serve a very specific purpose, the tighter the better. Especially if you are out 4-8 hours.

[cofi]

I'm not sure why folks "out on a country road" are in such a hurry though. YOU both (driver and cyclist) made the decision to be, or live, out there. You needn't be in such a hurry. You can wait a few seconds for each other. s.

i was doing the speed limit if i had been speeding dude would have been splattered across my hood he is damn lucky someone towing a horse trailer or some other bigger and less manurverable vehicle wasnt coming over the hill instead of me

bikers need to remember that there sharing the road with bigger faster stuff

last year in the springs i had a moron try to cross platte illegally he didnt see me and i had to slide to a stop coming like a foot away from hitting him he had the nerve to yell at ME wtf

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

i was doing the speed limit if i had been speeding dude would have been splattered across my hood he is damn lucky someone towing a horse trailer or some other bigger and less manurverable vehicle wasnt coming over the hill instead of me

bikers need to remember that there sharing the road with bigger faster stuff

last year in the springs i had a moron try to cross platte illegally he didnt see me and i had to slide to a stop coming like a foot away from hitting him he had the nerve to yell at ME wtf

If you are doing the speed limit, you should see the cyclist from a long way out if you are being attentive at all.
If you're in a winding front range canyon road, the speed limits are low enough that you should still have plenty of stopping distance (especially uphill) around the blind corners.

So you splatter a cyclist and "win." What do you win? In all likelihood, a trip to the pokey on manslaughter charges.

I don't know, I frequently do these same trips (St. Vrain, lefthand, sunshine, coal creek, golden gate, bear creek) in both a huge truck and a road bike without issue. Am I super talented, or just trying to be careful? Unlikely to be the former.


To the "they should find better places to ride" - let's say you need to get 50, 70, 100 miles and some hills in. You just can't do that on bike paths, and I'd argue bike paths are more dangerous. But, take heart, all of these guys are indeed paying their taxes for this too. My "better place" is the track but Boulder's closed, Erie hasn't opened yet, and the Springs takes forever to get their hours sorted.

[cofi]

If you are doing the speed limit, you should see the cyclist from a long way out if you are being attentive at all.
If you're in a winding front range canyon road, the speed limits are low enough that you should still have plenty of stopping distance (especially uphill) around the blind corners.

you didnt read my OP so ill make it clear for you

a stupid bicylist was right over the crest of a hill stopped in the MIDDLE of the road at 6am TEXTING there was no way to see him until i crested the hill....if my car got tired going up a hill or i needed to send a text i would pull over to the SHOULDER to send my text or lube my legs up or whatever the hell else that guy needed to do

[Trout Hunter]

Blacking out some one trying to get a work out or just enjoying their day off =Douche Bag. End of the day we live in a community and share spaces if we want people to tolerate things we do we need to do the same for them.

[WETWRKS]

You can wait a few seconds for each other.

The driver shouldn't have to wait a few seconds for the bicyclist. It used to be against the law to impede traffic. Like most laws...I doubt it has been removed from the books.

Driving downtown Denver I often have to watch when driving thru an intersection because I have had a number of bicyclists run a blatently red light.

Driving Boulder country I have seen 2 wide, 3 wide, 4 wide, and even 5 wide riding down a 2 lane road thus leaving one side with NO lane to use.

Bicyclists are a MENICE to drivers.

[DD977GM2]

The driver shouldn't have to wait a few seconds for the bicyclist. It used to be against the law to impede traffic. Like most laws...I doubt it has been removed from the books.

Driving downtown Denver I often have to watch when driving thru an intersection because I have had a number of bicyclists run a blatently red light.

Driving Boulder country I have seen 2 wide, 3 wide, 4 wide, and even 5 wide riding down a 2 lane road thus leaving one side with NO lane to use.

Bicyclists are a MENICE to drivers.

I have almost nailed a few bicyclists who blaze right through a red light as I am turning from say 18th onto Curtis and they have the red light on Curtis,
yet feel it is 100% acceptbale for them to run a red light and almost wreck into me and then flip me off and hollar at me etc.

I have wanted to many time get out and stomp the dogshit out of them, but my ability to work from jail isnt a solid idea for long term career outlook

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

So you are telling me since I pay for plates on the new truck that I Dont have to pay for my Tahoe, wife's SUV, 3 trailers, boat, and motorcycle? I mean come on...I already pay to use the road for one...this one should be free right....

Read my post again.

Don't be so butt hurt... Bicyclists who think they have the right away on vehicle road just because they have another vehicle is as fair as noninsured person legal or illegal using the county health resources for free -- hey they also pay county and income tax like the rest of us right?

OK, let's more fully develop this idea, because I personally think it is absurd, and I don't think you've thought it through b/c it can easily be turned against you. $0.02
You have more right to the road than I do, b/c what you are in at the time has more registration and taxes associated with it when you are in a car and I'm on a bike.
Paying registration and taxes trumps not paying taxes and registration.
It therefore stands to reason that paying MORE registration and MORE taxes trump paying LESS registration and LESS taxes.

Do you yield to the nicer car? What about a commercial semi tractor trailer? Ever listen to them on CB19? They think of you the way you think of cyclists - little pests jamming up the road, driving terribly, and they certainly have higher fees, taxes, etc.

By extension - let's say it is a typical Friday evening in Winter and let's say an acquaintance invites me to go skiing in Vail. We'll take his new AMG G-wagen. He almost certainly pays more in registration and taxes than 95% of cars on the road. So, when traffic clogs all up near Ike, we should be able to yell, "HEAR YE! HEAR YE!!! I DEMAND YE UNWASHED MASSES OF THE LOWER CLASSES ALL TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD YIELDING TO MY SUPERIOR REGISTRATION AND TAXES FOR YOU ARE IMPEDING MY TRANSPORTATION!!!"

Of course not. That's not how society works.

Incidentally, I'm not butt-hurt at all about this. Quite the opposite. I already have a diesel truck, and I get to ride all these roads without issue, and I'm totally at peace with how the system works. I've never gotten a ticket on my bike, and the folks who yell tend to make most of us laugh. I'm not starting threads complaining about drivers or cars or whatever. I've come in here to offer their perspective on why.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

The driver shouldn't have to wait a few seconds for the bicyclist. It used to be against the law to impede traffic. Like most laws...I doubt it has been removed from the books.

You seriously don't have a few seconds to wait for a cyclist?
Is it that your time is just so much more valuable than everyone else?
How do you cope with wildlife on the road or minor traffic accidents?

I'm thankful I don't have that kind of stress in my life.

Driving downtown Denver I often have to watch when driving thru an intersection because I have had a number of bicyclists run a blatently red light.

Driving Boulder country I have seen 2 wide, 3 wide, 4 wide, and even 5 wide riding down a 2 lane road thus leaving one side with NO lane to use.

Bicyclists are a MENICE to drivers.

And these would be illegal. There isn't an excuse for it.
I'm not sure I'd call it a "menice" but I guess I have more patience for that sort of thing.

[WETWRKS]

You seriously don't have a few seconds to wait for a cyclist?
Is it that your time is just so much more valuable than everyone else?
How do you cope with wildlife on the road or minor traffic accidents?

I'm thankful I don't have that kind of stress in my life.



And these would be illegal. There isn't an excuse for it.
I'm not sure I'd call it a "menice" but I guess I have more patience for that sort of thing.

I shouldn't have to wait for a cyclist...they shouldn't be on the road to begin with. The roads were built for CARS to drive on. Not for bicyclists. Not for someone to set up a tent and camp on. Not for joggers. For autos to travel from one place to another.

Not a menace? It *might* be one thing if they were following the laws. It is a complete other thing when they have the attitude that they have a RIGHT to run red lights. A RIGHT to run stop signs. A RIGHT to cut in and out of traffic. A RIGHT to block all the lanes on one side of the road. These are all a menace to other drivers. It threatens lives and peoples health. That most certainly is a menace.

When I was a child you were taught to ride on the sidewalks. To stop and get off your bike and walk it across intersections...after looking both ways and according to the cross signals if they are present. SO...it irritates me when people act like what is going on is how it has always been. They didn't used to allow people to act like they are now. Bicyclists had taken on this liberal mindset that their RIGHT to the road trumpts the right of autos.