Only in Chicago, or realistcally (coming soon) other areas of the country. IT'S WHITEY'S FAULT

[Gman]

Are they getting an education or are they just passing through the system? We didn't have computers or the Internet when I was in grade school and the country wasn't throwing the kind of money at it that they have been. We actually had to crack a book and read. So many kids coming out of public schools can't seem to manage to teach themselves in their future years. Want to learn how to do something that wasn't covered in school? RTFM.

[alxone]

if you leave the general population illiterate what happens if there is a draft ? you gonna start printing tank manuals in picture form only ? would it then be the burden of the military to teach people simple math a writing/reading skills ?

[dirtrulz]

1 in 1000 odds is just an example someone brought up; I'm sure the real results are higher. And where do we draw the line to say "sorry, you're not worth it"?

That would be up to you as a parent. If your kid is worth it work your ass off and get it done, take some responsibility. You are the one who wanted the little freeloaders after all, not me.

As you can tell, i am not a huge fan of kids.

[alxone]

That would be up to you as a parent. If your kid is worth it work your ass off and get it done, take some responsibility. You are the one who wanted the little freeloaders after all, not me.

As you can tell, i am not a huge fan of kids.

but you are a big fan of being an ass

[Dave]

I really don't have a problem with the idea of public schools, it's one of the few things I think the government should provide, and I'm ok with paying taxes for them. What I do not like is how every year schools keep asking for more money and turning out graduates who are progressively worse as a group each year. Some of it is the schools, and some of it is the parents. But we are not heading in a good direction with public schools right now in education quality, let alone how they have become indoctrination centers for political party dogma.

[dirtrulz]

but you are a big fan of being an ass

Oh i am sorry, i am supposed to say all children are miracles and the world is blessed for every one that is born. You want the government to leave you alone but you will trust them to educate your kids, funny how people pick and choose what they want the government to control. Usually based on how much free stuff they get.. You cant have smaller government and want more free stuff at the same time.

[alxone]

Oh i am sorry, i am supposed to say all children are miracles and the world is blessed for every one that is born. You want the government to leave you alone but you will trust them to educate your kids, funny how people pick and choose what they want the government to control. Usually based on how much free stuff they get.. You cant have smaller government and want more free stuff at the same time.

i do think the basic education should be free and if you dont want the gov teaching your children the you can pay for it . again if you dont have a public education system how do you propose a successful military ? or do you expect only those that can afford education serve ?

[Great-Kazoo]

I really don't have a problem with the idea of public schools, it's one of the few things I think the government should provide, and I'm ok with paying taxes for them. What I do not like is how every year schools keep asking for more money and turning out graduates who are progressively worse as a group each year. Some of it is the schools, and some of it is the parents. But we are not heading in a good direction with public schools right now in education quality, let alone how they have become indoctrination centers for political party dogma.

Which is why i started the thread. A person of color, Who like Obama complains there isn't enough Talk about. She is vocal to the point of Laying Blame on the Rich Whites for the education system.

i do think the basic education should be free and if you dont want the gov teaching your children the you can pay for it . again if you dont have a public education system how do you propose a successful military ? or do you expect only those that can afford education serve ?

See reply in this post. If only those who could afford an education served, we'd be back to Civil War military where the Officers (Educated) were in charge of those who were minimally if at all. As it was for centuries before that. Money leads, others follow.
I want my tax dollars going to a system that can show success, not failure. If and when there is failure. DON'T BLAME EVERYONE BUT YOURSELF. Review where the weak links are and restructure from there. Tenure, Out the door IF you're wasting space and your students place at the bottom of the grade scale.

[Buff]

I really don't have a problem with the idea of public schools, it's one of the few things I think the government should provide, and I'm ok with paying taxes for them. What I do not like is how every year schools keep asking for more money and turning out graduates who are progressively worse as a group each year. Some of it is the schools, and some of it is the parents. But we are not heading in a good direction with public schools right now in education quality, let alone how they have become indoctrination centers for political party dogma.

Our education system is Colorado has focused on teaching kids to be prepared to take a yearly test called CSAP. Each school and district is scored on the results of these test for funding and resources. By having this approach students aren't getting a true education they're only being taught what they'll be tested for. The end result of this teaching approach ends up turning out graduates that have a pretty crappy education.
Back when I was a kid there was no mainstreaming like now, we sent kids that had mental issue's to state schools, we had special Ed kids that were taught the basics to function as adults and then everyone else. Now the protocol is to put all kids in the same general Ed classes, by doing so it takes away from the students that can be educated and that have a future. My wife is a High School teacher and the crap she tells me just disgust me, it’s ridiculous what is wasted on kids that don’t have the capacity to learn beyond what a third grader is taught. From the socialist regime at the School District level to the parents of the kids that should be in state schools or special ED the system is broke.
People that are educated and fiscally responsible reproduce within their means and take responsibility for their offspring. The burden on our education system and society stems from the undereducated which general includes the fiscally irresponsible population. To go pretty far to the right there should be a aptitude/IQ test that is given to all before they reach sexual maturity, if you fail you get clipped and the gene pool ends there.
I have 2 kids in High School both are in advanced classes call STEM and will go on to college for Engineering. I’m not counting on scholarships (I’m in the wrong demographic) and fully prepared to pay tuition.

[spyder]

Why dont we just make the people with children pay for their children's education. Then maybe they will take it seriously and actually pay attention and learn something. Paying for schools with property taxes is stupid when half the people with kids dont own property, why should I have to pay for some kid to go to school and fail.

By all means, I'm a huge fan of this. I would rather have my tax money go more to my kids, than other people and what they think are important...

Short answer is because most parents are simply sperm or egg donors, after sexual congress the product is society's problem.

Sounds like you have a shitty set of parents....

Sorry, but spending billions to get a 1 in 1000 odds is never ok. Thats kind of like their if it saves one child argument. There are other things the money could be used for other than crappy schools or forein aid.

Every parent should have to have some skin in the game. Even ifit is only 50 a month. If the parent cant afford it then the cost will be based on grades. At least then if i am forced to pay for the freeloaders they will at least be learning something. That and get rid of tenure and the crappy burned out teachers who could care less about students.

So... Your fix would be to let the stupid go out into the world to get even more retarded, and take away any chance for a less fortunate child to make it, affectively making more stupid people? Yep, that sounds like the smart choice... also, the graduation rate is a lot higher than 1 in a thousand.