ZIMMERMAN TRIAL LIVE LINK

[muddywings]

if we get to throw out predictions, i think he'll get manslaughter vs 2nd degree. However, from what I know, if I was on the jury, I would acquit.

[battle_sight_zero]

if we get to throw out predictions, i think he'll get manslaughter vs 2nd degree. However, from what I know, if I was on the jury, I would acquit.

Any conviction for anything would be pure bullshit and a travesty of justice. So far the prosecution has proved nothing and in fact helped Zimmerman with their witnesses. It would certainly would be a disgraceful for the justice system.

[Bailey Guns]

I said a long time ago Zimmerman will never be convicted. I'll stick to that prediction and I haven't even been following the trial. We'll see.

[muddywings]

Any conviction for anything would be pure bullshit and a travesty of justice. So far the prosecution has proved nothing and in fact helped Zimmerman with their witnesses. It would certainly would be a disgraceful for the justice system.

I agree 115.75% with you. I'm just thinking the opposite of jury nullification because of worries due to crap like this:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ad-of-verdict/

also, I will freely admit when people use term, "cracker" i thought it had to do with saltines. I just learned it had to do with cracking a whip. learn something new every day!

[hurley842002]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ad-of-verdict/

Wow people are ignorant!

So they will choose another CCW holder, that person will shoot in self defense, and then we will be back at square one....

[RblDiver]

also, I will freely admit when people use term, "cracker" i thought it had to do with saltines. I just learned it had to do with cracking a whip. learn something new every day!

...When you say something like that, it seems obvious now to me too. I always thought "white like saltines" too. +1 for knowledge :P

[muddywings]

if he isn't successful in 2nd degree it will fall flat on its ass. They can't come back and keep reducing the possible crime to test the jury to see if they will render a guilty verdict. While the jury has some flexibility, Criminal court isn't a "keep trying different charges until they give the verdict we want" type of system. If they come back not guilty for 2nd degree - that is the end of it.

i would agree but I was watching all the political/press pundits last night while making a couple of holsters and could have sworn I heard the jury had the flexibility to go to manslaughter. I'm not sure how that works. can a DA charge 1st degree, 2nd, manslaughter as well as 1st degree assault so on and so on?
kinda should be working instead of goofing off in here so if someone can check that, I would be curious....

[Whistler]

I agree 115.75% with you. I'm just thinking the opposite of jury nullification because of worries due to crap like this:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ad-of-verdict/

also, I will freely admit when people use term, "cracker" i thought it had to do with saltines. I just learned it had to do with cracking a whip. learn something new every day!

Bluster and hot air - posers.

[Hound]

However, if he would have listened to the dispatch, he wouldn't be in this shit, period. This was not imminent danger that needed his immediate intervention. Let the police do what they are paid for.

This is the beginning and end of it for me, period. ZM could have backed down. In the same way I expect cops to back down and de-escalate when possible, any of us CCing should also. If he had been waiting for the cop (who showed up quickly) he would have been on the road, not in the back of the apts. If this had happened in front of the Apts I might support ZM (depending on what happened). It is hard to defend being in the back for any reason if he thought the guy was dangerous. The cops had been notified, at that point, good job, he is being vigilant. I don't care about all the 911 calls before (just being vigilant). It is when he followed TM that he loses me. If he had just kept him in sight but not close enough to confront, maybe, but it immediatly goes grey at that point. Once there is ANY confrontation, at that point, ZM is in the wrong. He put himself in harms way taking responsibility for ANYTHING that happens after that. Let the cops do their job.

Anybody CCing should know to be non-confrontational unless there is a clear and present danger. Looking suspicious...does not meet that bar.

Remove yourself from confrontation.

I do have to say the prosecuting wittnesses.... Wow. Not what anybody wants to see in a trail like this.

[Hound]

if he isn't successful in 2nd degree it will fall flat on its ass. They can't come back and keep reducing the possible crime to test the jury to see if they will render a guilty verdict. While the jury has some flexibility, Criminal court isn't a "keep trying different charges until they give the verdict we want" type of system. If they come back not guilty for 2nd degree - that is the end of it.

What you are discribing is "Double Jeopardy". You are correct.