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    So I know Sen Reid, Al Sharpton and other local 'activists' have already cried for a civil rights trial and I'm not sure how that will play out with the FBI already concluding that this wasn't a race hate crime (even though everybody thinks it is) but how about the civil trail.

    Per what I found, if he was acquitted of both 2nd and Man, then I'm thinking he can't be sued but not sure. Any other internet lawyers care to poke you noise at this one?

    http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/.../0776.032.html

    The 2012 Florida Statutes




    776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.
    (1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s.943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
    (2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
    (3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cofi View Post
    travon was a gun owner and therefore im assuming a second amendment supporter i think he would be in support of the stand your ground laws

    ugghhh look at the daylight between the beavertail and his thumb/forefinger, that thing'll stovepipe for sure. Also keep your finger off the trigger, hotshot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenscout View Post
    So when do the riots start? And a new push for gun control
    breakfast wasn't even done on the west coast before this shit appeared.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...tml?cmpid=yhoo

    President Barack Obama called the killing of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin “a tragedy” for America that should lead citizens to ask if they are “doing all they can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis.”
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    THis should be fun
    Quote Originally Posted by jim View Post
    breakfast wasn't even done on the west coast before this shit appeared.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...tml?cmpid=yhoo

    President Barack Obama called the killing of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin “a tragedy” for America that should lead citizens to ask if they are “doing all they can to stem the tide of gun violence that claims too many lives across this country on a daily basis.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by brokenscout View Post
    THis should be fun
    Just following Rahm Emmanual's philosophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstone View Post
    If all you can see is the color of a man's skin, you will never know the man within.

    Goodness and evil have no color.

    As Americans we either have faith and confidence in our institutions, like the jury, or we have a lot of work to do to replace them with something better.

    Anyone can destroy but it takes someone who loves something to build it up and make it better.

    Be safe.
    Fantastically well stated.


    In response to the many comments about BO's statement that we need to work on stemming the tide of gun violence, I agree, this is something that needs to be worked on. I do not believe, however, that the Zimmerman case has anything to do with gun violence. In my mind, gun violence is the criminal use of firearms to commit violent acts against another person. As such, self defense does not qualify. We have more and more criminals in places like Chicago, New York, DC, LA, etc. that know the general law-abiding public is unarmed. These individuals have no issue with doing harm to someone else to get what they want. If the foolishness of the laws restricting the lawful use/possession/carry of firearms for self defense could be overturned, the criminals would have to contend with the possibility that their victim could turn the tables. Perhaps then the tide of gun violence could be stemmed. But if those communities choose to remain naive to how the lawful carry of firearms makes for a safer society, then their misguided sense of safety will continue to plague them with violence, often with deadly consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goodburbon View Post
    The liberals on my friends list contend that
    1. there was racism, that was the root cause.
    2. The confrontation was initiated by Zimmerman, because he followed, and stand your ground applied to Trayvon as he was standing his ground.


    I reminded them that they were wrong, the trial was over, and it wasnt decided that way. Their friends swarmed with emotional retorts about killing a child, hunting a black child, black men better be careful out there as the system allows whites to kill them...and all "liked" each others statuses, as if it is some sort of vindication.

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    It's pretty simple, wasn't any violence until he made it so, following/watching someone is not illegal, attacking someone is and can be (as in this situation) deadly. What's wrong with having a conversation, on either side - "why are you following me? and "who are you and what are you up to?" versus attacking someone. Why couldn't HE simply go home as folks seem to think George should have done? Instead he chose to play the thug and paid the ultimate price.

    I occasionally interact with folks I don't recognize in my neighborhood and the conversation is always (so far) simple and non-violent. How can Liberals so easily dismiss Trayvon's role in the outcome? Profiled, not profiled, racist or not, followed, scared or not it only came to this tragic result through HIS action. Specifically he chose to escalate what could have been a brief conversation (or a short dash home) to physical violence. What exactly does the rest of it matter? I will never understand those folks who operate on pure emotion with no regard to plain simple fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whistler View Post
    It's pretty simple, wasn't any violence until he made it so, following/watching someone is not illegal, attacking someone is and can be (as in this situation) deadly. What's wrong with having a conversation, on either side - "why are you following me? and "who are you and what are you up to?" versus attacking someone. Why couldn't HE simply go home as folks seem to think George should have done? Instead he chose to play the thug and paid the ultimate price.

    I occasionally interact with folks I don't recognize in my neighborhood and the conversation is always (so far) simple and non-violent. How can Liberals so easily dismiss Trayvon's role in the outcome? Profiled, not profiled, racist or not, followed, scared or not it only came to this tragic result through HIS action. Specifically he chose to escalate what could have been a brief conversation (or a short dash home) to physical violence. What exactly does the rest of it matter? I will never understand those folks who operate on pure emotion with no regard to plain simple fact.
    Good post, and what I've been trying to preach the whole time, yours was just better preached lol.

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    "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Sir Winston Churchill

    “It is well for that citizenry of nation are not understand banking and money system, if they are, I believe there would be revolution before Tuesday morning.” Henry Ford

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    JUSTICE DEPARTMENT STATEMENT ON THE
    TRAYVON MARTIN-GEORGE ZIMMERMAN CASE

    As the Department first acknowledged last year, we have an open investigation into the death of Trayvon Martin. The Department of Justice’s Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division, the United States Attorney’s Office for the Middle District of Florida, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation continue to evaluate the evidence generated during the federal investigation, as well as the evidence and testimony from the state trial. Experienced federal prosecutors will determine whether the evidence reveals a prosecutable violation of any of the limited federal criminal civil rights statutes within our jurisdiction, and whether federal prosecution is appropriate in accordance with the Department’s policy governing successive federal prosecution following a state trial.

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