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[tmckay2]

Sadly I dont. Personally I am a man who watches out for others as a good neighbor or community member should. However this nonsense makes me less likely to want to get involved. I am not walking the streets looking for stuff but I am aware and do alert authorities to situation s often. I am also aware that I a mostly right in my observations . Sad that knack can be used against you.

well heres the thing. none of us were there so we can't say for sure what happened, I don't doubt the kid was a punk, and I don't even doubt he probably fought with Zimmerman, but either way I don't see why he would have gotten out of his car to approach him. when you carry you should avoid conflict even more than when you don't carry. that pistol should only come out if you have absolutely no other choice because it rarely ends up good for either individual. now if the kid was beating up another person or whatever sure you need to get involved. if hes just walking and being suspicious its not worth it to confront him. call the police, keep an eye on him, that's it. I don't think Zimmerman deserves to be found guilty on the criminal charges of murder but in my opinion what he did was pretty dumb and sadly it should be a lesson to all of us, especially those of us who carry.

[sroz]

well heres the thing. none of us were there so we can't say for sure what happened, I don't doubt the kid was a punk, and I don't even doubt he probably fought with Zimmerman, but either way I don't see why he would have gotten out of his car to approach him. when you carry you should avoid conflict even more than when you don't carry. that pistol should only come out if you have absolutely no other choice because it rarely ends up good for either individual. now if the kid was beating up another person or whatever sure you need to get involved. if hes just walking and being suspicious its not worth it to confront him. call the police, keep an eye on him, that's it. I don't think Zimmerman deserves to be found guilty on the criminal charges of murder but in my opinion what he did was pretty dumb and sadly it should be a lesson to all of us, especially those of us who carry.

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^

[sniper7]

well heres the thing. none of us were there so we can't say for sure what happened, I don't doubt the kid was a punk, and I don't even doubt he probably fought with Zimmerman, but either way I don't see why he would have gotten out of his car to approach him. when you carry you should avoid conflict even more than when you don't carry. that pistol should only come out if you have absolutely no other choice because it rarely ends up good for either individual. now if the kid was beating up another person or whatever sure you need to get involved. if hes just walking and being suspicious its not worth it to confront him. call the police, keep an eye on him, that's it. I don't think Zimmerman deserves to be found guilty on the criminal charges of murder but in my opinion what he did was pretty dumb and sadly it should be a lesson to all of us, especially those of us who carry.

I agree but you also are dismissing his background and his position. Him and his wife had been attacked by dogs. That was the reason they got the permits in the first place. He was the community watchdog and I believe appointed by the HOA. Several breakins in the area had occurred. He had obviously called the cops before. I would like to hear the details on those calls and if they were bogus or if arrests were made, if they were all racially driven or what.

Florida has a stand your ground law as well.

I do think the circumstances that we have heard about would not warrant getting out of the vehicle but I wasn't there.

I just watched the news highlights on the star witness who was on the phone with martin. It sure seemed to only help the defense in my opinion.

[bellavite1]

I agree but you also are dismissing his background and his position. Him and his wife had been attacked by dogs. That was the reason they got the permits in the first place. He was the community watchdog and I believe appointed by the HOA. Several breakins in the area had occurred. He had obviously called the cops before. I would like to hear the details on those calls and if they were bogus or if arrests were made, if they were all racially driven or what.

Florida has a stand your ground law as well.

I do think the circumstances that we have heard about would not warrant getting out of the vehicle but I wasn't there.

I just watched the news highlights on the star witness who was on the phone with martin. It sure seemed to only help the defense in my opinion.

When CNN calls that beast an "unsophisticated young woman" you know it's bad!

[tmckay2]

im not dismissing any of that. it doesn't excuse his actions. this is the main lesson for all of us that carry need to learn. we think we are somehow justified but in most cases when you enter a situation that results in you having to pull your sidearm it generally does not end well. break ins suck. does it mean you confront a person that isn't doing anything wrong? stand your ground law works IF YOU AREN'T THE ONE ENGAGING. again, the point here is that while trayvon martin might have been a first degree punk, at the time he wasn't actively doing anything wrong and zimmerman getting out of his car was a huge mistake. even if hes a super nice guy and trayvon is a deadbeat wanna be thug, fact is he could have avoided the confrontation and he didn't. when you are the one carrying that is of utmost importance.

ive even seen a lot of people thump their chests about their "cool" carry stories where they almost pulled it out, they flashed it to somebody to scare them, and whatever else and rarely do i hear the people say they were extremely polite and very kindly tried to avoid confrontation. usually, whether they are BS stories or not, it ends up being the storyteller trying to be a bad ass and either raising the tension or at least not actively diffusing it, and then they think they are cool because they almost pulled their carry? some people apparently need to go back to training. carrying should not be taken lightly at all and short of being actively attacked of no fault of your own or another person being beaten to death, it should not even be considered to be pulled.

i realize cops can be knuckleheads and probably ignored him a lot and he was annoyed by that, but short of martin attacking someone there is nothing zimmerman should have done. a neighborhood watch is just that, a WATCH. he saw something suspicious, he reported it. if they are sending a patrol car and he wants to keep an eye on martin, fine. if not, watch him until you see him actually do something. doesn't matter if hes goading you or daring you to get out of your car or anything. you are the one carrying, you have the responsibility.

again, zimmerman seems like a fine guy and i hate to see it happen to him. trayvon seemed like a douche. i knew a guy that was super nice but got in a bar fight, it wasn't even he who started it, but one punch and the guy hit the table on the way down and died. he spent 8 years in prison. best to avoid situations in any way possible. you never know how things will go bad and you can never go back. sometimes you need to look like the wuss in order to avoid the conflict.

I agree but you also are dismissing his background and his position. Him and his wife had been attacked by dogs. That was the reason they got the permits in the first place. He was the community watchdog and I believe appointed by the HOA. Several breakins in the area had occurred. He had obviously called the cops before. I would like to hear the details on those calls and if they were bogus or if arrests were made, if they were all racially driven or what.

Florida has a stand your ground law as well.

I do think the circumstances that we have heard about would not warrant getting out of the vehicle but I wasn't there.

I just watched the news highlights on the star witness who was on the phone with martin. It sure seemed to only help the defense in my opinion.

[RblDiver]

ive even seen a lot of people thump their chests about their "cool" carry stories where they almost pulled it out, they flashed it to somebody to scare them, and whatever else and rarely do i hear the people say they were extremely polite and very kindly tried to avoid confrontation. usually, whether they are BS stories or not, it ends up being the storyteller trying to be a bad ass and either raising the tension or at least not actively diffusing it, and then they think they are cool because they almost pulled their carry? some people apparently need to go back to training. carrying should not be taken lightly at all and short of being actively attacked of no fault of your own or another person being beaten to death, it should not even be considered to be pulled.

Part of the point of carrying is deterrence. I'm not saying people should be "flashing their piece," but if it deterred someone from engaging in stronger action then it can be a good thing. Being polite is all well and good, but remember, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

[tmckay2]

Part of the point of carrying is deterrence. I'm not saying people should be "flashing their piece," but if it deterred someone from engaging in stronger action then it can be a good thing. Being polite is all well and good, but remember, "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

while that is true, 99% of the time you can diffuse small time punks talking trash by simply walking away or playing the wuss. you don't need to stick out your chest because you are carrying and assume he isn't. i would never show someone my pistol just to show them and hope it scares them. if i am showing it it is because my life is in danger and i am pulling it. carrying shouldn't be for small time fights and verbal abuse situations, it should be for life threatening situations only. most of the stories people tell on here in some idiot just talking and maybe at times approaching them. most of the time if you simply apologize for whatever happened and tell them you meant no disrespect or offense, that would end it. most of the stories involve people acting like a bad ass and not backing down, and why? because they have a gun and think they are a tough guy? diffuse the situation at all times, if the guy pulls out a weapon and approaches then fine. if not, keep it hidden.