ZIMMERMAN TRIAL LIVE LINK

[cofi]

Pretty much sums it up.....defently not historical I just find it interesting since I daily carry to see the shitstorm that happens once that trigger gets pulled

[Whistler]

bold statement - correct. otherwise you roll the dice. if youd like to that its a free country, just don't be surprised when you end up like zimmerman, or like my buddy who did time for his bar fight incident.

the point of the neighborhood watch is to alert police to suspicious activity, not engage a suspicious person. if you actively see someone break into a house or assault someone its a bit different. no point in approaching someone walking down the street. what do you expect to gain from that? you think they are going to say, "well yes sir, i was about to rob a place, thanks for stopping me?" either the person is up to no good and therefore is going to cause you some trouble you don't want, or they are simply walking down the street. either way, approaching them and talking to them won't necessarily tell you anything, but it may get you in trouble. watch from a very safe distance until the police arrive.

I suppose we have different views of the world, wrote a more detailed reply but deleted it in favor of simply disagreeing with your view, perhaps I'm an anachronism. Things happen and I'm not wired to walk through life worried some random idiot is going to be the end, you can go at any time for any reason or none at all. I am however wired to believe that trying to improve my lot along with that of my neighbors is about the best you can hope to do while you still breath.

How is that relevant? Maybe George was raised that way as well, it's a view I hadn't seen represented in this discussion.

[hatidua]

If George is acquitted ill eat my hat.

If George is acquitted, I suspect some will use it as an excuse to trash some store fronts and do a bit of rioting.

[tmckay2]

bettering the world doesn't have to involve confrontations while carrying a gun. in fact, bettering the world just might have to do with avoiding some situations, particularly when carrying. thats the only point i am trying to make. like i said, trayvon sounds very much like a grade a punk but it really isn't disputed that at the time he wasn't doing anything wrong, other than looking "suspicious" whatever that means. report it, let the authorities handle it, don't get out and risk confrontation. just not smart in my opinion. and in this case i think that is exactly what happened, and unfortunately trayvon (even the punk that we was) paid the ultimate price and a good man like zimmerman will also pay a hefty price. and why? for what reason? this all could have easily been avoided and i think it should serve as a lesson to those of us who do carry.

I suppose we have different views of the world, wrote a more detailed reply but deleted it in favor of simply disagreeing with your view, perhaps I'm an anachronism. Things happen and I'm not wired to walk through life worried some random idiot is going to be the end, you can go at any time for any reason or none at all. I am however wired to believe that trying to improve my lot along with that of my neighbors is about the best you can hope to do while you still breath.

How is that relevant? Maybe George was raised that way as well, it's a view I hadn't seen represented in this discussion.

[jerrymrc]

If George is acquitted, I suspect some will use it as an excuse to trash some store fronts and do a bit of rioting.

This is the new Amerika.

[<MADDOG>]

If George is acquitted, I suspect some will use it as an excuse to trash some store fronts and do a bit of rioting.

Call it for what it is; screw the PC - hoodrats.

Luckily, the place of occurrence isn't LA, Detroit, etc.

[sniper7]

Love the "monday morning quarterbacking". Pretty sure Kelly with TTE summed it up quite well:

"Here's the short version of the Martin/Zimmerman issue.

Idiot in hoodie (Martin) meets idiot with gun (Zimmerman).

Outcome for both sides: Don't start shit and their won't be shit.

This is not "historical" in any way, shape, form or fashion"

What IS historical is how many threads on this very gun board there have been about the use of their/there/they're.

[Squeeze]

Hey, it wasn't my quote. I just copied & pasted.

[Whistler]

bettering the world doesn't have to involve confrontations while carrying a gun. in fact, bettering the world just might have to do with avoiding some situations, particularly when carrying. thats the only point i am trying to make. like i said, trayvon sounds very much like a grade a punk but it really isn't disputed that at the time he wasn't doing anything wrong, other than looking "suspicious" whatever that means. report it, let the authorities handle it, don't get out and risk confrontation. just not smart in my opinion. and in this case i think that is exactly what happened, and unfortunately trayvon (even the punk that we was) paid the ultimate price and a good man like zimmerman will also pay a hefty price. and why? for what reason? this all could have easily been avoided and i think it should serve as a lesson to those of us who do carry.

Don't believe I said anything like confrontation but my point is/was carrying (or not) doesn't change my behavior or what I perceive as right. That was originally addressed at the quote below which I took to be your take on the interaction. I presented a different perspective in which both parties were reasonable and rational while conceding it doesn't always go that way but disagree with you that the interaction should have been avoided at all simply because he happened to be carrying. In this case it went south because as you say Trayvon was a punk but I still don't agree you should avoid the interaction (it's not described as a confrontation and believe it was escalated into one by Trayvon) simply because you happen to be carrying (or not) if you feel it's the "right" thing to do. I took the quote below to mean you believe he only initiated that interaction because he was carrying - "chest thumping" or trying to be a bad ass. You also expressed the opinion he should be punished for what I perceive as being a good neighbor by trying to determine what a person he considered suspicious was actually up to. It ended poorly, sometimes it does but I don't think that was ever his intention and hindsight is 20/20. I don't agree it should serve as a lesson to change your behavior and walk on eggshells if you happen to be carrying the same as I don't think you should change your behavior and walk around with a chip on your shoulder starting crap with everyone you meet because you happen to be carrying. My decision to strike up a conversation or watch someone I deem suspicious has nothing to do with whether or not I am carrying, I just feel it's something I should do to help look out for my neighbors. You obviously feel differently and that is the point of discussion. It's my opinion he likely would have done the same things had he not been carrying and perhaps it would have ended differently but we can agree that we ultimately must take responsibility for our personal choices. I hope that my choices never result in my having to take a life, I hope that your choices never result in another losing theirs.

To your point about him not doing anything wrong, "suspicious" doesn't mean they have to be doing anything wrong but out of place for the circumstance. He was suspicious because the neighborhood had been recently burglarized by young black men. Trayvon was a young black man, unknown to George (who as Neighborhood Watch captain should be mostly familiar with the residents) and concealing his face with a hoodie. Had it been a child as Trayvon was portrayed or a middle-aged fat white guy I don't think he'd have given it a second thought but that is just my opinion. I don't think Zimmerman did anything I'd consider aggressive or confrontational but was tragically forced to take the life of young man who chose to escalate the situation to violence with an armed man. Could he have walked away? Certainly. Should he? We disagree. We'll never know what really happened but then that's not what this trial is about.

ive even seen a lot of people thump their chests about their "cool" carry stories where they almost pulled it out, they flashed it to somebody to scare them, and whatever else and rarely do i hear the people say they were extremely polite and very kindly tried to avoid confrontation. usually, whether they are BS stories or not, it ends up being the storyteller trying to be a bad ass and either raising the tension or at least not actively diffusing it, and then they think they are cool because they almost pulled their carry? some people apparently need to go back to training. carrying should not be taken lightly at all and short of being actively attacked of no fault of your own or another person being beaten to death, it should not even be considered to be pulled.

[Bailey Guns]

Just get it over with already so we can move on to the next politically motivated, racially-charged incident...whether or not it really is racially-charged.