Quote Originally Posted by Hound View Post
This is the beginning and end of it for me, period. ZM could have backed down. In the same way I expect cops to back down and de-escalate when possible, any of us CCing should also. If he had been waiting for the cop (who showed up quickly) he would have been on the road, not in the back of the apts. If this had happened in front of the Apts I might support ZM (depending on what happened). It is hard to defend being in the back for any reason if he thought the guy was dangerous. The cops had been notified, at that point, good job, he is being vigilant. I don't care about all the 911 calls before (just being vigilant). It is when he followed TM that he loses me. If he had just kept him in sight but not close enough to confront, maybe, but it immediatly goes grey at that point. Once there is ANY confrontation, at that point, ZM is in the wrong. He put himself in harms way taking responsibility for ANYTHING that happens after that. Let the cops do their job.

Anybody CCing should know to be non-confrontational unless there is a clear and present danger. Looking suspicious...does not meet that bar.

Remove yourself from confrontation.

I do have to say the prosecuting wittnesses.... Wow. Not what anybody wants to see in a trail like this.
ok, they just showed ZM walking through what happened, from his side. That is plausible, stupid but plausible. He should have stayed in his truck but seeing the layout and hearing his story, if I were on the jury I would have doubt at this point. He says he was not following TM which is if'y but there is a reason for what he says he was doing. I missed the 911 call, which should have caught the WHOLE thing according to his story. Since I have not seen/heard that.... One small issue is the fruadian slip where he said he was covering his mounth and nose (meaning ZM was covering TM's mouth and nose) which he corrected himself to state it was the opposite and he was the victim. The forensic evidence is going to be interesting. What position was the gun fired from? At the ground or into the air?