ZIMMERMAN TRIAL LIVE LINK

[battle_sight_zero]

Yeah just caught the citizens grand jury.

[Gman]

Seems like a kangaroo court trying to get some press time.

[MrPrena]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...f-defense?lite

Seems like it is going in favor of defendant as time goes.
Of course, this was waste of tax payers $$$ to bring this to a trial.

[muddywings]

I've read quite a bit in the news about if GZ or TM was on top/bottom during the struggle and subsequent firing of the gun. I'm not a forensic investigator, I don't know the gun/caliber involved, and I do know that not all gunshots are through and through but would the gunshot wound within TM be able to indicate the position of the body when it was shot? Hypothetically, if TM was on the ground when shot and the bullet attempted to go through the otherside, I would expect the experts could identify that type of exit wound vs an exit wound that was not stopped by the ground.
I'm ignorant but would imagine through random episodes of CSI that the wounds would be distinguishable. Anybody who has seen more episodes of CSI care to advise?

[generalmeow]

A semi auto without a round chambered is a really expensive and poorly designed hammer.

And yet I'd take a semi auto without a round chambered over a well designed hammer any day.

The odds say if you need the firearm you're carrying, you'll have time to chamber a round. In fact given that there are infinite reasons you might need a firearm, and there are less reasons you'd need a round chambered at the moment you draw the firearm, it's almost a certainty that you don't need a round chambered to make carrying a firearm worthwhile.

Bottom line: it's worth carrying a firearm, even if it's not chambered. Chambered or not is just preference, although I think you're safer, even if by a tiny amount, if you don't carry chambered. The hammer analogy doesn't make sense.

[davsel]

I've read quite a bit in the news about if GZ or TM was on top/bottom during the struggle and subsequent firing of the gun. I'm not a forensic investigator, I don't know the gun/caliber involved, and I do know that not all gunshots are through and through but would the gunshot wound within TM be able to indicate the position of the body when it was shot? Hypothetically, if TM was on the ground when shot and the bullet attempted to go through the otherside, I would expect the experts could identify that type of exit wound vs an exit wound that was not stopped by the ground.
I'm ignorant but would imagine through random episodes of CSI that the wounds would be distinguishable. Anybody who has seen more episodes of CSI care to advise?

It has already been established the gun was a 9mm, one shot, no exit, TM was on top "ground and pounding" GZ.

[muddywings]

It has already been established the gun was a 9mm, one shot, no exit, TM was on top "ground and pounding" GZ.

Thanks. Haven't been following it that close. Kinda hard to get wounds on the back of your head if u are top so I don't understand the confusion there.

[battle_sight_zero]

And yet I'd take a semi auto without a round chambered over a well designed hammer any day.Kimi

The odds say if you need the firearm you're carrying, you'll have time to chamber a round. In fact given that there are infinite reasons you might need a firearm, and there are less reasons you'd need a round chambered at the moment you draw the firearm, it's almost a certainty that you don't need a round chambered to make carrying a firearm worthwhile.

Bottom line: it's worth carrying a firearm, even if it's not chambered. Chambered or not is just preference, although I think you're safer, even if by a tiny amount, if you don't carry chambered. The hammer analogy doesn't make sense.

Yes its worth carrying a firearm, however lets look at this case. If George is telling the truth he would mould most likely be dead or suffering from severe injuries if he to cock his firearm. I admit I have several pistols in my carry rotation and for the first few times I carried my glocks or m&ps I was a bit scared and worried. I eventually got over it, and realize that the only way that they would fire accidentally is if I was careless. As I mentioned in my younger days I have been attacked out of the blue, thankfully only with clown s with knifes and because I was in great shape and trained in hand to hand I came out on the better end but I will always remember that experience and the life lessons it gave me. Now 20 some odd years later I dont have that spry ability and if I am trampled and pounded I dont want to come up the loosing end.

[Singlestack]

From what Zimmerman and the eyewitness described, I don't see how it would have been possible to rack the slide and shoot when GZ was on his back and getting pummeled. The problem is bringing your hands together to rack the slide. I can't see even trying to do an emergency blind 1-hand rack against either GZ's or Martin's body without being able to see what I was doing.

[Clint45]

I don't know the gun/caliber involved

KelTec PF9, DAO with no external safety.