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[Zundfolge]

I thought it was creepy ass cracker?

I stand corrected ... I'm not an expert on the rantings of violent racists

[waxthis]

Stop with the "Cracker" remarks. Someone's feelings will get hurt, and this thread will be locked.

[tmckay2]

which is why i always find it disturbing how some on here talk about pulling their piece anytime someone ruffles their feathers. putting yourself in the court's hands is a baaaaaaad idea. i hope this case, if nothing else, reminds those of us that carry what a big responsibility it really is.

the problem here is that we don't know it was a "clean shoot". there is basically no solid evidence either way, if there was just one witness that actively saw the fight go down this wouldn't be such a big deal, the issue is that no one wants a person to get off scot free if it was some racially motivated murder. and of course we don't want a completely innocent guy to spend any time in prison either. everyone has a bias in this case, but if you really look at all the evidence is amazing how such a thing can happen and no one know how it really went down. i definitely don't think there is enough evidence to convict, not even close. but i also don't think there is enough for me to say without a doubt that it happened just as GZ says it did.

I find this whole case very chilling for those who carry. Even if you are involved in a "clean shoot", your life may well be ruined - maybe even loss of your life - if the victim is a different race than you and black. Of course, this has to be a positive outcome for the antis. When you have the president, most of the print and TV media, and the self-appointed black leaders (Sharpton/Jackson/etc) demanding a guilty verdict before the trial starts, that is incitement of violence. Although I don't wish for riots, should it come to that this will be a major race setback between blacks/whites and perhaps blacks/hispanics.

[Ronin13]

I find this whole case very chilling for those who carry. Even if you are involved in a "clean shoot", your life may well be ruined - maybe even loss of your life - if the victim is a different race than you and black. Of course, this has to be a positive outcome for the antis. When you have the president, most of the print and TV media, and the self-appointed black leaders (Sharpton/Jackson/etc) demanding a guilty verdict before the trial starts, that is incitement of violence. Although I don't wish for riots, should it come to that this will be a major race setback between blacks/whites and perhaps blacks/hispanics.

I agree with those that say the last 5 years of Obama being president has set us back 40 years in race relations. This whole trial is just another step on that path.

which is why i always find it disturbing how some on here talk about pulling their piece anytime someone ruffles their feathers. putting yourself in the court's hands is a baaaaaaad idea. i hope this case, if nothing else, reminds those of us that carry what a big responsibility it really is.

Who on here have said they'll "pull their piece" whenever someone ruffles their feathers? Really? I have yet to hear that...

[Jeff350]

I think this whole debacle should serve as a reminder/warning to those of us who carry: unless it directly involves the safety of you and yours, keep your nose (and your gun) out of it. We all want to have our communities back, but NEWSFLASH! your community will not have your back. It sucks to say but that is the reality of our country today.

Also, learn to fight. If GZ knew a simple mount escape we probably wouldn't even be talking about this.

[hatidua]

Stop with the "Cracker" remarks. Someone's feelings will get hurt, and this thread will be locked.

I think it should simply be the "C-word". Otherwise, let me start fully enunciating other words that are abbreviated...

[cofi]

So he killed a person and can walk free?

you just will not stop trolling this site huh?????

[Great-Kazoo]

So he killed a person and can walk free?

[RonMexico]

I find this whole case very chilling for those who carry. Even if you are involved in a "clean shoot", your life may well be ruined - maybe even loss of your life - if the victim is a different race than you and black. Of course, this has to be a positive outcome for the antis. When you have the president, most of the print and TV media, and the self-appointed black leaders (Sharpton/Jackson/etc) demanding a guilty verdict before the trial starts, that is incitement of violence. Although I don't wish for riots, should it come to that this will be a major race setback between blacks/whites and perhaps blacks/hispanics.

A lawyer once told me that you better have 20k in saving and a ton of free time to fight court battles even if you are on the right side of the law. It's sad that in today's society you are "more guilt, until proven innocent".

Does anyone know the statistics on the cost to fight a concealed carry defense case or how long the average lenght of most court trials and litigation drag on for?

[Great-Kazoo]

I think this whole debacle should serve as a reminder/warning to those of us who carry: unless it directly involves the safety of you and yours, keep your nose (and your gun) out of it. We all want to have our communities back, but NEWSFLASH! your community will not have your back. It sucks to say but that is the reality of our country today.

Also, learn to fight. If GZ knew a simple mount escape we probably wouldn't even be talking about this.

Really, learn to fight? Any specific style you'd like everyone to be proficient in? Should i start some MMA basics, ken po, judo, karate, krav maga. What in your infinite wisdom should "I" become master of?

How about those in wheel chairs and walkers, carrying oxygen, the blind, paraplegic's etc? Not everyone is an able bodied man or woman.

Mount this.