My professor at it again......

[Aloha_Shooter]

It would be interesting to remind him the Concealed Carry has been legal on the CSU campus and in his classes since 2003.

It's effect on crime on campus even if it can't be proved to be a deterrent sure hasn't increased it.

As I said before, there's no point in arguing this with the prof in question but this is an excellent set of graphs to post all over campus on kiosks and bulletin boards.

[UrbanWolf]

It would be interesting to remind him the Concealed Carry has been legal on the CSU campus and in his classes since 2003.

It's effect on crime on campus even if it can't be proved to be a deterrent sure hasn't increased it.

Do you have the official site for this? I've been trying to show this to people, but nothing pop up on google.

[sniper7]

You paid money for a grade and a piece of paper. Real education is on the job.

Both ways are well and just. Make a point and say something or sit back and let the closed minded liberal spew his vial. It won't affect you and he won't be affected as he obviously broke off ties from hip military family. Where you can make a difference is the other students in the class. Give them an alternative perspective. If you are going to say something it needs to happen in class on front of everyone. Short if that a private one on one is a waste of your breath

[USAFGopherMike]

I'd rather prevent a moron like this from poisoning the minds of their students. Letting the poison spread just produces more of them. Stop it at it's source asap. Video/record this professor straying from the facts. Definitely file a complain and tell the Dean you want a response or that you'll take the recording to the press and let them know that he/she did nothing when confronted with the evidence. Those that mention a bachelors degree as just a piece of paper and the bare minimum, I couldn't agree more with you. It's a checked box to see if you'll put in the effort. That said, if it's just a piece of paper, why care what's written on it, ie a B vs an A in some stupid class. There is no price that can be put on freedom, but there's always a cost for ignoring those that try to suppress it.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Just get through it, get the grade, and move on. You won't convince that professor to your way of thinking any sooner than they will convince you of theirs.

This.

Back when I was in college, I was the sort that confronted instructors on this sort of thing and all it does is egg them on and allow them a platform to further push their thoughts on the class. The thing they want more than anything is for someone to disagree with them and argue the point. Ignore the statement, it irritates them more than any alternative action.

This again.

Seriously, I would file a formal complaint with the Dean..

Definitely not this.

Cooperate and graduate.

Let's face it; You're not there for an education, you're there for a piece of paper. If you have any life experience at all, you won't get an "education" out of most degrees (unless you're taking hard sciences or engineering courses). Just keep your mouth shut, take your A and drive on.

This again.


It is very idealistic and naive to talk about filing complaints and getting things on professors' records, etc, etc. What you really do is make yourself stand out in a non-academic way. Do you want the grade or do you want to make the stand? Maybe it is the latter, and I applaud that - but as you go to apply for your internship / grad school / job in something other than a social science related thing, it'll be wondered why you have straight As except for [whatever]. And you won't get to explain yourself in all likelihood, you'll be competing with someone who did straights As exclusively (or whatever). If you don't want these kinds of professors, go to Hillsdale College or don't take these courses. In the grand scheme of your life, it just doesn't matter. You won't change their opinion, you won't put a black mark on their record - if anything you'll embolden some liberal professor and dean on academic freedom, etc, and it is their freedom, not yours.

That's my $0.02. I've played this game several times around.

[kawiracer14]

You're going to complain to the liberal dean that the liberal professor is telling his mostly liberal students that guns are evil? Guess what, you're going to have to listen to a lot of shit you don't like to hear in life and you're going to have to deal with it. What if you work somewhere and you really enjoy the job but your boss is a dirty lib and tells you that guns are evil. You can be quiet and mostly enjoy your job except for when he or she runs their mouth, or you can make a scene and risk losing the job. Sometimes it ain't worth it...

[Ronin13]

Sometimes it ain't worth it...

My question is: When is it worth it? So many said "it ain't worth it" in the 1760's and 1770's... so many said "it ain't worth it" in the 1930's. So many said "it ain't worth it" in April of 1994. So I ask again, when is it worth it? Surely I hope it's worth it well before you realize that one day your not speaking out against this indoctrination and tyranny now won't do much of anything.

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

My question is: When is it worth it? So many said "it ain't worth it" in the 1760's and 1770's... so many said "it ain't worth it" in the 1930's. So many said "it ain't worth it" in April of 1994. So I ask again, when is it worth it? Surely I hope it's worth it well before you realize that one day your not speaking out against this indoctrination and tyranny now won't do much of anything.

My answer for my own life only - when the philosophy 202 professor starts making real policy. Do you argue with everyone who disagrees with your POV? How about everyone in a position of power or everyone who has something you need?

By the time you've reached this level in education, you [should] have formed your own opinions. If you haven't, you're likely unprincipled enough that you'll lurch from idea to idea based on how pretty of a package that message came wrapped in. In which case, sadly, it doesn't really matter. The next professor may just wipe that all away with a new set of ideals. If you have your own opinions and principals, you stand on them, take the grade and move on to where you can make a real difference in your life, because "winning" an argument in a classroom but failing the class is unlikely to be that difference. $0.02

[Ronin13]

My answer for my own life only - when the philosophy 202 professor starts making real policy. Do you argue with everyone who disagrees with your POV? How about everyone in a position of power or everyone who has something you need?

By the time you've reached this level in education, you [should] have formed your own opinions. If you haven't, you're likely unprincipled enough that you'll lurch from idea to idea based on how pretty of a package that message came wrapped in. In which case, sadly, it doesn't really matter. The next professor may just wipe that all away with a new set of ideals. If you have your own opinions and principals, you stand on them, take the grade and move on to where you can make a real difference in your life, because "winning" an argument in a classroom but failing the class is unlikely to be that difference. $0.02

Again, this speaks to not solving the problem- indoctrination. Sure, you should have formed your own opinions, but lets look at the majority of folks in college, 18-21, were you culturally and politically "awake" at 18? I know I sure wasn't nearly as much as I am now. Sure back then I voted conservative, but that was because my parents made sure my public education was augmented with their tidbits of wisdom that I wasn't taught in school. But I'm not most kids. So we just let these "teachers" continue to spew this rhetoric to young impressionable minds? Just take the grade, move on, and we are surprised by the majority of American youth voting for Socialist Kings? Am I the only one who gives a shit about this dangerous road we're moving down at a higher and higher rate of speed? Am I the only one who notices that dangerous pit in the distance that we seem to be speeding toward?

[Jeffrey Lebowski]

Again, this speaks to not solving the problem- indoctrination. Sure, you should have formed your own opinions, but lets look at the majority of folks in college, 18-21, were you culturally and politically "awake" at 18? I know I sure wasn't nearly as much as I am now. Sure back then I voted conservative, but that was because my parents made sure my public education was augmented with their tidbits of wisdom that I wasn't taught in school. But I'm not most kids. So we just let these "teachers" continue to spew this rhetoric to young impressionable minds? Just take the grade, move on, and we are surprised by the majority of American youth voting for Socialist Kings? Am I the only one who gives a shit about this dangerous road we're moving down at a higher and higher rate of speed? Am I the only one who notices that dangerous pit in the distance that we seem to be speeding toward?

This begs the question of whether you have placed the blame correctly. Is it the parents who have neglected this duty, or should the individuals in the schools be forced to offer up no political thought? Or the political thought YOU agree with? And who gets to decide that? And how popular is it when "all points of view must be taught" are applied in places like evolutionary biology or religious studies?
What would your solution be?


It seems to me the variety of youth are becoming increasingly Libertarian, but that's just my own observation. No more valid than assuming the Colorado public thinks the way the Colorado AR15 forum thinks.