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    Glock Armorer for sexual favors Jer's Avatar
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    Listen guys, I'm not a spring chic. I've been around the block as far as working out and dieting. I realize all the basic fundamentals but being 300lbs isn't healthy either. I've tried working out and dieting for years and am tired of getting nowhere.

    When I was in my 20's I ate right and worked out 6 days a week like a beast. I used to play basketball (full court) for hours every day too and when I look back I was always fatter than my buddies even with all the effort I put in. Fast forward a decade and things have gotten worse and working out and dieting was good to only maintain and never got me anywhere. It was to the point where I was injuring myself and then I'd be out for months. The last two injuries were shoulder injuries doing what I would consider to be light weight and I didn't feel anything at the time of working out to indicate I did something wrong instead I woke up the next morning in pain which lasted for months. Both times it took me almost 8 months to fully recover. In both instances I was only a few months back into working out and started with light weights and hadn't even increased my weights that much to avoid injury.

    My current life doesn't allow for me to plan a schedule or a diet and do it the better way so this is my option. The plan is to get down to a reasonable weight and then slowly re-introduce healthy foods in small portions and working out to see if I can maintain. Do some research and you will find LOTS of people who have done exactly this. They do a juice diet to get down to a reasonable weight and then use that time to clean the desire for crappy foods and large portions out of their lives and then replace with healthy foods and exercise. That's what I'm doing. I'm not saying this is for everyone but I'm not some 20 year old kid looking for the short cut. I've done it all and am still horribly unhealthy (even though I'm stronger and have better cardio than most of my friends my age) so for me this is an extreme change from what I've done for years in an attempt to drastically change something.

    If I drop the weight I'm planning to drop and in the process learn to eat better or train my body to crave good foods it can't be all bad. Granted, I wouldn't recommend this for everyone but for some people it can be a means to an end.
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    Glock Armorer for sexual favors Jer's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by sniper7 View Post
    Yeah not too good on the body and if you Dont do it right I would imagine you will gain back what you lost plus some since the body is feeling deprived and wanting to get back to where it was comfortable.
    I'm not starving myself. I'm supplying my body with nutrients and vitamins via vegetable & fruit juices. I'm just not eating food. This forces the body into ketosis which is burning fat for energy instead of depending on food intake for energy. Once I get to a more reasonable weight I will start to introduce healthy food back into my diet and hopefully by then my situation is such that I can make the time to work out and be more active. Until then this is the best immediate action I can take. There are TONS of people online who have done what I'm currently doing and I'm having a hard time finding horror stories. Most people are able to get off of ALL of their meds and are substantially more healthy once they're done than when they started. I'm not attempting to navigate uncharted territory here and I'm not starving myself either. My caloric intake has simply been reduced to veggie and fruit juice. If I feel at any point I'm endangering myself I will stop. At this point I feel great though and feel like this is the way for me to keep from breaking the 300lb mark.
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    I've done it and had great results. I did juice only for the first 7 days and then incorporated salads, fruits, nuts and such along with my juice. Basically stating to a raw diet. It can be very difficult and you have to plan well as if you are out and about and need to eat there's no raw fast food joint. I will also point out that you will become sensitive to regular food and it will make you feel like shit if you eat it. You'll want to supplement with vitamins and such. You will feel much better, begin to regain energy, and your food (if you are eating raw) wont affect you like regular food does.

    I got off of it and really need to get back to it.

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    Let me know how the diet goes.
    I gained too much weight after taking some hydrophilic medication plus arthritis.

    Meanwhile, I will do the diet called "no money diet"
    $1 side salad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    Listen guys, I'm not a spring chic. I've been around the block as far as working out and dieting. I realize all the basic fundamentals but being 300lbs isn't healthy either. I've tried working out and dieting for years and am tired of getting nowhere.
    Have you tried just counting calories vs exercising?


    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    My current life doesn't allow for me to plan a schedule or a diet and do it the better way so this is my option. The plan is to get down to a reasonable weight and then slowly re-introduce healthy foods in small portions and working out to see if I can maintain. Do some research and you will find LOTS of people who have done exactly this.
    If you are going to do it anyway, why not just do it now? A lifestyle change is the only way this works, if you're going to do it little by little, why not just start there?



    Anyway, yeah, we have a juicer. My wife never met a kitchen appliance she doesn't like.
    I've invented some pretty cool juices, but I sure don't use it very often. It is a great way to turn a lot of fruit into a little fruit and a ton of servings into 1 serving, but they taste great and are healthier than store bought juices. IMHO, only.
    Vitamix = better, you can do more with it like make soups, smoothies, dips, shakes, etc.

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    Everyone talking about losing weight too fast being unhealthy, well, you're right but that's more for people or just need to drop a little. When at 300 lbs it's not as bad to drop fast, you just have to be prepared for the regain.

    you sure you're in ketosis? You gotta have crazy low sugar in take for that and those bolthouses are loaded with sugar. I did a ketosis diet for a week and I took in 20 grams of carbs a day, which meant zero fruit or juice. One piece of fruit basically took me out of ketosis. I think it's more likely you are just runnin a large calorie deficit.

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    i did a 21 day cleanse (standard process) and modified juice diet and dropped 38lbs. the cleanse allowed all you could eat fruits/veg at a 2:1 veg to fruit ratio. i juiced 90% of the fruits/veg i had during that time.

    i use a breville juice fountain plus (JE98XL)--it was $149 at bed/bath/beyond, and you can regularly find 20% off coupons for BBB--bringing it to $130. It'll juice anything you want it to except lemongrass (it'll do kale, beets, whatever you can throw at it). go to http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/ for some recipes once you get the juicer.

    that juicer has no problems making 4 quarts of juice in the morning at all. i have a mean green and carrot/apple/ginger each day.

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    If you want some inspiration for the juice diet check Netflix for "Fat, Sick & Nearly Dead". Documentary about an Aussie who does it and then travels the country introducing it to others.

    FWIW Atkins over 10 weeks took off 40lbs for me. Now I just eat less overall and try to maintain where I am.
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    There have been a few threads on this already... I will kick back in though.

    I did the juice diet for a month and a half, the first month of which was completely juice... I lost 53 lbs, and it stayed off for a very long time, almost a year without gaining a pound. Those who think it is unhealthy, don't have their information correct. I was more healthy by a long shot while juicing. As long as you have fat on ya to take care of your energy needs, you will be perfectly fine. As a matter of fact, juicing is so damn good at healing people, that the government made it illegal for a medical doctor to prescribe it to you as a treatment. If you need a juicer, I have an extra "Jack Lalans" or whatever in the hell it's called that you can have. We got one from Walmart that has worked like a charm, and cost $70 (works a hell of a lot better than the $250 Jack whatever one). Juicing provides your body with absolutely everything your body needs to work, and then some, except the calories, which if you have extra weight, your body provides. There have been numerous studies and tests done on this, and if you do it right, you will be far more healthy. My wife and I originally did this because she was seeking a cure for her chronic hives (moms a doctor that tried everything and nothing worked for a year and a half), she found the movie "Fat Sick & Nearly Dead", and we decided to go for it for her sake. A week into it, she had no hives, and hasn't for almost a year. It also got rid of her heart palpitations. She did the diet for three weeks hard core, and continued with 50/50 with salads for another month, and still juices every now and then for the hell of it. I had skin cancer, now I don't. My uncle had colon cancer, now he doesn't. I can go on and on of just my family in the last year that this has helped. In doing this though, you will encounter those that have no clue as to what they're talking about, and will run their mouth's though, just wade through the crap, and you will be fine... If you have any questions, just PM me.

    Now, I wouldn't spout any of this out, if I haven't done it, and seen what "juicing" can actually do with my own eyes. Also, as a disclaimer, I'm not a vegetarian by any means (the wife is now though), Taco Bell is my favorite place in the world! K.......

    For those of you that want more info, you can watch a decent movie on it called Fat Sick & Nearly Dead here: http://www.hulu.com/watch/289122
    You can also watch a movie called "The Gerson Miracle" that is long, and full of information, but really boring... Here: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/gerson-miracle/
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    ^ completely agree. My brother has digestion issues and the doctors told him that he would have to be on medication for the rest of his life. A week after starting a juice routine he had no more issue and was off the meds. As spyder said you'll catch a lot of bs by those that don't know. The only real way to know what it does is to do it, those that haven't just won't understand. I would also recommend watching The Gerson Miracle.

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