Gun and mag laws

[DVC357]

Ok Gentleman.
I appreciate all the feedback.
At this time, NO MAGS (>15rds) will be included in any sale.

[CareyH]

Wouldn't this make any magazine with a removable floor plate illegal? If i sold you a glock 22 with 15rd mags you could easily convert them to accept more than 15rds with the addition of an extended base plate. Or a cz75 15rd mag that all you have to do is cut the follower and you will be over 15 rds. Vague laws are so fun. "Easily convertible"= just about any magazine

[bryjcom]

I think if you permanently modify the mag to accept no more than 15 rounds then you could sell it.

For instance you you used a rivet to block the follower from traveling down then that would be a "permanent" modification, right? Since it would need special tools to remove such a rivet?

But if you use a screw then it becomes a temporary modification as a screw is "readily" removed and the mag is converted back to evil status.

Just thinking out loud.

[Great-Kazoo]

I think if you permanently modify the mag to accept no more than 15 rounds then you could sell it.

For instance you you used a rivet to block the follower from traveling down then that would be a "permanent" modification, right? Since it would need special tools to remove such a rivet?

But if you use a screw then it becomes a temporary modification as a screw is "readily" removed and the mag is converted back to evil status.

Just thinking out loud.

The floor plate must be made no longer removable. either epoxy, pop riveted, or spot welded. depending on the magazines material composition. One company is using spacers to block to 10 rds then crimp and epoxy the floor plate, on Pmags They are CA Compliant.

[SAnd]

Here are 3 mag that I converted to denver legal 20 round capacity. I cut a section out of the Grease Gun and the Suomi stick mags so they are shorter to only hold 20 rounds. They are about 3 inches shorter now. The drum was a little more complicated. It has a rivet cross-ways in the channel to stop the follower. I also cut notches in the channel walls so the follower will jam up just beyond the rivet. I also riveted the piece with the channels so it can't rotate. I've converted these 3 mags several years ago so they are grandfathered in for the state law.



My reading of the Colorado law and the Denver Code is that it doesn't matter how the mag left the factory as long as in the current condition the mag can't hold more than 15 rounds and can't be easily changed.

I have no expectation that the law will be overturned in the courts.

[spqrzilla]

I think if you permanently modify the mag to accept no more than 15 rounds then you could sell it.

For instance you you used a rivet to block the follower from traveling down then that would be a "permanent" modification, right? Since it would need special tools to remove such a rivet?

But if you use a screw then it becomes a temporary modification as a screw is "readily" removed and the mag is converted back to evil status.

Just thinking out loud.

While you may be correct, we have no such interpretation from the courts and the law does not provide for any other method of clarifying its language on the "readily convertible" phrase.

[hardoc]

While you may be correct, we have no such interpretation from the courts and the law does not provide for any other method of clarifying its language on the "readily convertible" phrase.

I believe that is one of the arguments that Sheriff Justin Smith has against the silly law.

[battle_sight_zero]

Watching arms list it does not appear that many of the sellers have seen the memos on the new laws regarding gun sales and magazines. Here is one example. http://www.armslist.com/posts/176610...panther-ar15--

[ray1970]

Watching arms list it does not appear that many of the sellers have seen the memos on the new laws regarding gun sales and magazines. Here is one example. http://www.armslist.com/posts/176610...panther-ar15--

Yep. Or maybe it's part of some sort of sting operation.

[Portsider86]

What memo I didn't get one. If legislators can do whatever the hell they feel like so can we.