777 crashes at sfo

[USAFGopherMike]

CRM failure by the crew. Non-flying pilot should have been watching airspeed, altitude and rate of descent and comparing it to the TOLD card. They got low and slow fast, drug the tail through the water and impacted the seawall. The fact that so many survived is a testiment to the 777's design and cabin crew's evac skills. If one was hit by responding fire apparatus, that's fail. Those trucks are equipped with FLIR and a host of sensors and they train to avoid that situtation. That said, the passengers probably didn't evac in a perfect way training scenarios usually go = 45 degrees off the nose. Great response by EMS, there in less than 3 mins; a critical time barrier for fire suppression.

[RMAC757]

CRM failure by the crew. Non-flying pilot should have been watching airspeed, altitude and rate of descent and comparing it to the TOLD card. They got low and slow fast, drug the tail through the water and impacted the seawall. The fact that so many survived is a testiment to the 777's design and cabin crew's evac skills. If one was hit by responding fire apparatus, that's fail. Those trucks are equipped with FLIR and a host of sensors and they train to avoid that situtation. That said, the passengers probably didn't evac in a perfect way training scenarios usually go = 45 degrees off the nose. Great response by EMS, there in less than 3 mins; a critical time barrier for fire suppression.

Pretty sure TOLD cards are old news now Mike. The days of setting airspeed bugs are now pretty much relegated to a few older carriers with steam gauges. Fully integrated FMS's have made them pretty much obsolete which makes this even more bizarre. The Triple has an auto throttle system which in all likely hood was disconnected at some point between 3-400 ft given the FDR data ( A/S drop from 134 kias to 109 kias in just a couple hundred feet ) unless he was over riding it which is possible. The flying pilot was in all likelihood doing IOE ( Initial Operating Experience) as a captain which explains the Check Airman in the right seat. I've been in there what seems like hundreds of times and I can't get my head around what happened in the last couple hundred feet of this flight. What is known for sure is that they were high on most of the approach and were probably busting their ass getting it down like we all do on good weather days in SFO.

[USAFGopherMike]

I figured as much RMAC, point being... the R.Seater should have been watching the A/S and sink rate. Should have taken the airplane as they dropped below min speed for that approach. Glass is only as good as the monkey trying to read it.

[Gman]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...ctor-ntsb?lite

Two flight attendants were ejected from tail-less plane at impact and were found off to the side of the runway. They survived but suffered injuries, Hersman said.

Just amazing to me how many survived such a huge mess.

[MrPrena]

Asiana 214 meets Asiana 214