DHS checkpoint refuals,lol

[Goodburbon]

Are you seriously fine with having cops stopping you for no reason at all so they can ask you for your papers like it's 1950's Soviet Russia?

Lots of people are. We are conditioned as a society to obey authorities without question from an early age, some people are happy to be sheep, and angered by those who question why.


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[bryjcom]

Are you standing up for the illegals? I have no problem answering that I am an American. And any officer of the peace has the right to ask you for your name and and to provide identification. .

And any American has the right to refuse to answer.

[bryjcom]

The first guy in the video is the best, BTW. LOL!!

[kc06lj]

Get a class A cdl. They can and will stop you for any reason they feel like for as long as they feel like and they will make it as painful for you as possible if you don't immediately comply. I did my time in the service and we were still required to give name rank and serial number to our captors.

[J]

Oh Jeez. Here we go again.

I don't know much about CDL, but it didn't look to me like anyone on the film was driving commercially.

Blanket stopping people is a violation of due process, and lacks the reasonable suspicion or probable cause required to interrogate, interview, search or seize anything or anyone. It seems pretty clear to me.

Honestly, at one of these stops, I would probably tell them I am a US citizen to answer that question, but that would be it.


I really liked the guy at the end, asking the officer all of the questions he was about to ask. Funny.

[BuffCyclist]

I drive through these quite often. There is another one about 25mi outside of my town on the way to El Paso (which is, as I understand, the largest or one of the largest drug crossing points in the border). There is another one about 25mi outside my town on the way to Las Cruces - this one I pass through multiple times per week - because you can drive from El Paso to Las Cruces to my town.

Half the time, when you roll up and slow down, they look at you and send you on your way (profiling at its best). Other times, they ask if you are a US Citizen, and a simple "yes" will suffice. Other times, they ask you to state your citizenship, a simple "USA" gets you rolling. However, a lot of the time, they have the drug dogs out sniffing each car and those days suck. Because while the dog sniffs the car, the agent has to ask you random questions to hold you for about a minute so they can perform the full search.

Some of the agents are on a power trip and it shows. However, most of them are very polite and friendly.

When I flew down here for my interview where I work now, I landed in El Paso, rented a car and drove out. When I pulled up to the facility, they asked me my citizenship and then if I would roll down the rear window on the rental suv. I did, and they started sternly asking why the back seat seatbelts were buckled. I told them simply that I had no idea because I just rented the car a few minutes prior. They had me pull over for the second search. I started getting very snippy with them because they were extremely rude to me and this was my first encounter with one so I had no idea what was going on.

Now that I'm a regular traveller through them, I've learned that if you simply roll down all windows when you pull up, turn off the radio and keep both hands on the steering wheel, a majority of the time they just wave you through. Then again, it could be that I'm driving a Mini Cooper and from the drivers window they can see the entire contents of my vehicle. Sure, they're an inconvenience, especially on Fridays when everyone is going through them and when they have the drug dogs, but I'm of the mentality that its faster to just answer their question and be on your way than put up a fight.

That guy asking if he was being detained a million times over, yes, yes he was being detained because he was failing to answer their question. If he had simply stated his citizenship, which doesn't hurt anyone, he would have been on his way. And that is regardless of the debate about the legality of it and whether or not he was legally required to answer, he was being detained for failing to answer their question.

[WETWRKS]

If he had simply stated his citizenship, which doesn't hurt anyone, he would have been on his way. And that is regardless of the debate about the legality of it and whether or not he was legally required to answer, he was being detained for failing to answer their question.

The point is that he shouldn't have been stoped and questioned to begin with. At what point do you draw that line in the sand and refuse to answer?

Are you a US citizen?
Is this your car?
Do you haave permission to be driving it?
Where are you coming from?
Where are you headed?
How long are you planning on staying there?
What is your purpose for going there?
What is your profession?
How long have you done that profession?
Are there any drugs or weapons in the vehicle?
Has anyone else had access to the vehicle?
What is your relationship to the other person in the car?
Along with about a thousand other questions...

What about when they start asking your wife all the same questions that they just got done asking you?

What about when you have been sitting there for 45 minutes answering their endless list of questions?

I'm sorry...if you are not committing a crime then they have no reason to stop and question you about anything. AND you have no reason to have to answer any of these questions. This is out of line.

Understand..my father who is a Pastor and my mother had this happen to them when they headed out of Colorado to go perform a wedding.

[BuffCyclist]

I understand the logic that he shouldn't have been stopped to begin with.

From your logic in your last two sentences, here's a scenario (and yes, I realize there is always a what if to every situation) you head to the local park to walk your dog while open carrying. A police officer sees you and starts asking questions. You are not committing a crime, so from your logic, there is no reason to answer? Or is the problem just with DHS/BP questioning you?

And I would draw a line in the sand when they start putting these checkpoints in KS and other states no where near the border.


eta: I knew I'd receive flak for my first post. However, I am also not the type to open carry and be showy/belligerent with cops just because I have the right to open carry so I see no harm in answering the question where I currently live. If they start putting these checkpoints in CO and places further away from the border, yes, there will be things to be said.

[wreave]

Love this.

[roberth]

DHS does not have the right to do this.

Am I being detained?

They are detaining people without probable cause. DHS does not have reasonable suspicion, they are just harassing people.

Illegal search - violation of the 4th amendment.