DHS checkpoint refuals,lol

[BuffCyclist]

Well well well, after my previous posts, I figured EVERYONE would be screaming my name carrying torches and pitchforks! LOL

Before I reply, let me just say, that sure, the folks in the videos are exercising their rights and while being more freaking annoying than a 4yo asking for ice cream, I bet they only went through the DHS checkpoints once or twice. I guarantee that if you went through one of those 3 or more times per week, after a week or two, you would simply start saying "yes" or "USA". Hell, say "AMERICA, FUCK YEA!" (I know I've been tempted to say this a few times).

This almost goes right along with TSA groping. How many of you after going through the TSA security point at an airport started screaming you were being molested or crying for help when a TSA agent performed a pat down? I went through one with a knee brace and was limping, they asked if they could pat down the brace for "metal" I guess. I agreed, they simply touched the knee brace and that was it. Sure, their hands were a foot or two away from my junk and hell, their eyes were right there, but I didn't feel violated. (While yes, I'm sure there were agents who crossed the boundaries or were doing the pat downs disrespectfully, I am willing to bet the vast majority of them were not TSA agents to get to grope people).

Please help me out with the magical 'appropriate' distance required to where you would start not answering questions. I'm seriously not trying to be a smart-aleck, I just would like to know your opinion about where is the appropriate distance for that.

For me, it's zero feet inside the American border. Unless you actually see me crossing the border illegally, leave me alone when I'm driving down the road.

I don't know if I have an honest answer for you. I tend to be more compliant in all cases when someone carrying a gun, a badge (though I don't know if DHS/BP agents have an official badge) and handcuffs asks me a question. Perhaps its my prerogative to answer a simple question, whether its warranted or not, than to put up a verbal fight and risk getting arrested or anything else. Not that I'm saying a DHS/BP agent COULD arrest you, its just not a chance I'd be willing to take.

When did it become belligerent to simply exercise your rights? I only watched the first few minutes of the video but didn't see anybody being belligerent, including the border patrol agents. If we don't demand that the .gov honor our rights they will just disappear like has happened with gun rights in the big cities.

Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained? Am I being detained?

Asking that over and over no matter what question the BP agent asks you is being belligerent and frankly, quite rude. If you don't want to answer their questions, the get your facts straight and know what laws/amendments/whatever they are violating by asking you the question and interrupting your travel.

Your right, being a lemming is the quickest way and normally the path i go too. These people are just flexing their rights and that is great. The reason he is asking if he is being detained is because they can not detain him without probable cause. Not sure how true this is but a person that was in law school at the time told me there is a loose time limit, 5 minutes, on how long they can impend your travel without probably cause before you can bring legal action against them.

I would be interested to hear of the time limit they can hold you without probable cause. If they were flexing their rights in refusing to answer the question, they could simply just state that they refuse to answer any questions, that it is a violation of their 4th amendment rights and unless they are being detained, they will not answer anything, then just sit there quietly. I'm pretty sure they'd get pushed through faster that way than pissing off the DHS/BP agents who are simply doing their job.

I can only speak for the area where I live, but honestly, a job as a DHS/BP agent pays very well for the area. Most people in my town (who aren't military or work at White Sands Missile Range - though quite a few of the WSMR employees live in Las Cruces) are uneducated and working at Walmart or other retail type jobs and not making a lot of money.

Now, if we are talking about DHS/BP checkpoints in Arizona, thats a different story. If I recall, they require you to show your drivers license or proof of citizenship. Or has that been overturned? Too tired right now to spend the time looking it up and I have quite a few work emails to reply to. I'll check back later for replies.