Ford technicians?

[XC700116]

As info the typical noise issue is the cam chain guides, tensioner arms and tensioners causing chain slap and throwing the variable timing off. Another usual culprit is the variable timing solenoids.

What causes these problems more than anything, (assuming the oil is changed regularly to begin with) and I hate to even say this because I'd have never believed it if I hadn't learned the hard way, is aftermarket filters that don't have the correct check valve in it. You're time and money ahead to just run the motocraft filter that's made for it. Problem basically comes from over stroking the cam chain tensioners because the pressure isn't held in the system when the motor is shut down. They back off the tension and then have a full stroke to get tension and over time breaks the chain guide from running with the chains loose for a short period of time and slapping on the guide during the first 5 seconds every time the motor is started up.

It's a pain in the ass to do the chain guides and tensioners, but I'd bet money when you pop the front cover off you'll find at least one of them broken.

Also as soon as you pop the valve covers off you can tell if the phasers are bad or not, the spring coil won't be coiled nice and straight when they are good, when they're bad it's pretty obvious cause the plate for the hall effect cam position sensors will be canted off to the side and the spring isn't wound straight anymore.

[zteknik]

As info the typical noise issue is the cam chain guides, tensioner arms and tensioners causing chain slap and throwing the variable timing off. Another usual culprit is the variable timing solenoids.

What causes these problems more than anything, (assuming the oil is changed regularly to begin with) and I hate to even say this because I'd have never believed it if I hadn't learned the hard way, is aftermarket filters that don't have the correct check valve in it. You're time and money ahead to just run the motocraft filter that's made for it. Problem basically comes from over stroking the cam chain tensioners because the pressure isn't held in the system when the motor is shut down. They back off the tension and then have a full stroke to get tension and over time breaks the chain guide from running with the chains loose for a short period of time and slapping on the guide during the first 5 seconds every time the motor is started up.

It's a pain in the ass to do the chain guides and tensioners, but I'd bet money when you pop the front cover off you'll find at least one of them broken.

Also as soon as you pop the valve covers off you can tell if the phasers are bad or not, the spring coil won't be coiled nice and straight when they are good, when they're bad it's pretty obvious cause the plate for the hall effect cam position sensors will be canted off to the side and the spring isn't wound straight anymore.

Exactly,after a pm with the op the chain tensioners and guides sound more like the concern.
If it were the phasers it would run like a box of rocks and throw some codes.

[JMBD2112]

it would run like a box of rocks and throw some codes.

I thought that was normal operation for Fords....hahaha I couldn't help myself

[zteknik]

I thought that was normal operation for Fords....hahaha I couldn't help myself

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[trlcavscout]

Thanks for the help guys! I love the truck and I don't want to run it to long with out fixing it, but I can't afford to fix it for a few months. But this gave me more hope then I had seen so far.

[trlcavscout]

I thought that was normal operation for Fords....hahaha I couldn't help myself

After driving Fords most of my life and working at Chevy/Buick/GMC/Olds/caddy dealers, I would take a Ford any day, and Dodge hell no!