Spikes Tactical - Updated Policy for State and Local Law Enforcement Agency Sale

[Chad4000]

I think this illustrates the fundamental difference in how we on this forum view law enforcement and that's what leads to the conflicts where one side is accused of cop bashing by people that in turn get accused of licking the jackboot.

The question you have to ask yourself is this: Who are LEOs? Are they "the state" or are they "the people"?

Those (like me) that see LEOs as "The State" are the ones that get accused of cop bashing.

exactly...

[TFOGGER]

Governor: Why are our State Troopers armed with muzzle loaders and black powder revolvers? Shouldn't they have the best equipment to protect ME?

Commandant of the State Patrol: Nobody will sell us current equipment due to the stupid laws you signed, so we make do with what's available. Now every 2 bit street punk has us outgunned, and it's your fault. Get with your cronies in the legislature and fix the laws. By the way, if a bear chases us, I'm tripping you.

[BPTactical]

Governor: Why are our State Troopers armed with muzzle loaders and black powder revolvers? Shouldn't they have the best equipment to protect ME?

Commandant of the State Patrol: Nobody will sell us current equipment due to the stupid laws you signed, so we make do with what's available. Now every 2 bit street punk has us outgunned, and it's your fault. Get with your cronies in the legislature and fix the laws. By the way, if a bear chases us, I'm tripping you.

Fogger for the win!

[PSS]

Since they are civilians I believe they should be held to the same restrictions.

[Ronin13]

Really? They swear to not enforce stupid laws?

They are not our fathers. Like it or not they are part of the system that is encroaching our rights. Here's an idiom I like. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Please go re-read what I wrote... "When ordered by superiors" not swear. Did you not see that I said most are FOR our 2A rights, regardless of what agenda politicians have. Also, that's a mighty sweeping statement "part of the system encroaching our rights." They swore an oath to support and defend the constitution. I take it you're unfamiliar with that oath, otherwise you'd know that. They don't make decisions anymore than you and I do, it's the politicians, not those who are entrusted by the public to maintain order, who should be blamed/punished.

Since they are civilians I believe they should be held to the same restrictions.

Except when it's written into the law that they're exempt- at no fault of their own.

[PSS]

Also, that's a mighty sweeping statement "part of the system encroaching our rights." They swore an oath to support and defend the constitution. I take it you're unfamiliar with that oath, otherwise you'd know that. They don't make decisions anymore than you and I do, it's the politicians, not those who are entrusted by the public to maintain order, who should be blamed/punished.

So any cop that does otherwise is what? It may be inevitable with the system the way it is but I don't see the majority that worried about the constitution. It's a job and most cops I have known have a us vs them attitude. We babysat a kid for a sheriff, practically raised him, I still was disturbed by the us vs them attitude. I understand they deal with more assholes than is right ect. but still didn't like the attitude they displayed. They have a job to do and it's a tough one. I think it's good for them to be reminded that they are civilians. Maybe a little taste of their own medicine of being denied a useful tool will help the supposed majority of cops become more active and vocal in supporting the constitution and specifically the 2A. We don't need cops quietly not enforcing laws they disagree in, we need cops fighting the bad laws. Like the lawsuit the sheriffs are filing against the recent laws. That's encouraging.

[lowbeyond]

Please go re-read what I wrote... "When ordered by superiors" not swear. Did you not see that I said most are FOR our 2A rights, regardless of what agenda politicians have. Also, that's a mighty sweeping statement "part of the system encroaching our rights." They swore an oath to support and defend the constitution. I take it you're unfamiliar with that oath, otherwise you'd know that. They don't make decisions anymore than you and I do, it's the politicians, not those who are entrusted by the public to maintain order, who should be blamed/punished.

Bullshit. They choose to enforce gun laws. Is someone sticking a gun at thier head when they bust someone for a 16 round mag ? I doubt it. You cannot be for the 2nd A and enforce anti-2nd A laws.

Except when it's written into the law that they're exempt- at no fault of their own.

Bullshit. You can bet every LE execmption in some gun law was asked for by the cops. Just look at NY for example.

[Ronin13]

Bullshit. They choose to enforce gun laws. Is someone sticking a gun at thier head when they bust someone for a 16 round mag ? I doubt it. You cannot be for the 2nd A and enforce anti-2nd A laws.

Bullshit. You can bet every LE execmption in some gun law was asked for by the cops. Just look at NY for example.

Name one time that someone has been busted since July 1.... Oh that's right, you can't. And I don't see too many cases of people even being popped in Denver City/County for having "hi-cap" mags either. We are still talking about CO, right? Because DPD notwithstanding (as I don't know anyone on that department), all the LEOs I know personally are pro-2A and would exercise great discretion in the enforcement of any constitutionally vague law (meaning: they won't).

[lowbeyond]

Name one time that someone has been busted since July 1.... Oh that's right, you can't. And I don't see too many cases of people even being popped in Denver City/County for having "hi-cap" mags either. We are still talking about CO, right? Because DPD notwithstanding (as I don't know anyone on that department), all the LEOs I know personally are pro-2A and would exercise great discretion in the enforcement of any constitutionally vague law (meaning: they won't).

You forgot the word *yet*

And really i was not talking about CO only. You can see this in other states. Give it time, and all those pro 2nd A cops will bust people because that is their job. Then we will get the usual excuses, im Pro-2A! Not my fault, i was just following orders. Don't blame me blame the politicians. Law is the Law. Blah Blah Blah

Because they're a subsection of the public that should be afforded the opportunity to be on equal footing with those who break the laws. Since laws say that such and such is illegal, and criminals don't obey laws, then they will acquire that which is illegal and be at a greater advantage than those who would confront them. Case in point- N. Hollywood Shootout: Bad guys are armed with assault rifles (yes, real assault rifles- full auto), police are armed with pistols and shotguns- obviously outgunned. As such it became department policy to meet the threat and put LE on equal footing, so all LAPD patrol units had .223 rifles assigned to them. Best tools for the job, so they can do their job effectively. As much as loss of life is terrible, no matter who it is, shouldn't those more likely to confront criminals have a factor that mitigates risk as much as possible? Even if we're not able- due to stupid, unconstitutional laws- then why basically put everyone at risk? I don't expect you to understand my viewpoint or opinion on this, I'm simply trying to explain that we, normal everyday folks, do not go out of our way to confront, detain, or otherwise stop violent, aggressive criminals, it's discouraged. But LE does, and by denying them what we're unjustly denied for the sake of principal (or so you can get them to start petitioning those who didn't listen to OUR grievances) only creates a greater and unnecessary risk for their job. We entrust LE with enforcing laws, and arresting those who break the law... but f**k them, they can't have the equipment they need to do the job because we have been hamstrung by our legislators. Sounds more like jealousy than justice to me. YMMV..

You are on a roll. Yea forget the principle if it creates a risk to some subsection of people. Sure. OK Got it. Last time i checked, cops are not conscripts. Dont like that you must be armed as everyone else, too bad. Dont take the job or quit. Oh and that part in red, well i guess we will just forget about those thousands and thousands of times non cops do exactly that which you say they do not.

And here we have another excuse. You are all just jealous. Sure Uh-huh.

There's the ticket... blame the lawmakers, not those who enforce them. In that thought line, the recall elections are a go for Morse and Giron! So we're stepping in the right direction. Sadly, I don't see these laws being overturned in time for me to get some Magpul AK mags for Christmas...

I guarantee you. People who are busted over bullshit AWB laws or mag restrictions laws or other gun laws, will not be busted by the lawmakers. They will be busted by the cops who volunteer to do so.

I do find it a bit amusing, or perhaps telling that you do mention you are conflicted in a post, but you resolve your conflict, not by relying on a a principle which you say you support, but rather by carving out a more equal then others exception to a sub-group in which you hold an affinity for.

*shurg* Whatever allows you to sleep at night i guess

[def90]

We've been in this debate before, and I really don't see how punishing LE in states is really going to accomplish anything. It's not their fault the d-bags in the legislature wrote LE in as an exemption to their stupid laws. So now the fine officers/deputies of Colorado have one less place to shop. Not sure what that's going to do to help the cause. Thanks Spikes- you just solidified that I won't ever be a customer of yours. "Let punishment for the sins of the father be passed down to his children." -Exodus 20:5, an idea I never agreed with in the first place.

How about when the chief of police for Denver goes on the band wagon for gun control? I say f him and his department.


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