Spikes Tactical - Updated Policy for State and Local Law Enforcement Agency Sale

[waxthis]

Good for Spikes for doing this. I have nothing more to say other than I would like the police to remain the police a civilian force. Seems to me that they are becoming militarized more and more. Should have same weapons as civilians nothing more nothing less. I would change my tune if the police on the local level would be there to defend us from a potential oppressive Federal Government. However with govts ability to Federalize police sadly I see them as a potential extension of the Federal Government.

I like this.

[Chad4000]

I think this illustrates the fundamental difference in how we on this forum view law enforcement and that's what leads to the conflicts where one side is accused of cop bashing by people that in turn get accused of licking the jackboot.

The question you have to ask yourself is this: Who are LEOs? Are they "the state" or are they "the people"?

Those (like me) that see LEOs as "The State" are the ones that get accused of cop bashing.

exactly...

[Chad4000]

Good for spikes. Cops aren't any more deserving than me, a law abiding US citizen. Maybe if every officer and every police chief/sheriff would've rallied this would t have happened.

agreed here too

[Ronin13]

Maybe if every officer and every police chief/sheriff would've rallied this would t have happened.

Doubtful with the amount of cotton stuff in the Dems ears at the capital...

[centrarchidae]

However with govts ability to Federalize police

HUH???

I'm sorry. I'd like to phrase my question more delicately, but how the hell did you dream this up?

[DingleBerns]

edit: not worth it, nothing will change.

[Rabid]

edit: not worth it, nothing will change.

It does not seem like anyone is cop bashing. Speak your mind.

[lowbeyond]

Name one time that someone has been busted since July 1.... Oh that's right, you can't. And I don't see too many cases of people even being popped in Denver City/County for having "hi-cap" mags either. We are still talking about CO, right? Because DPD notwithstanding (as I don't know anyone on that department), all the LEOs I know personally are pro-2A and would exercise great discretion in the enforcement of any constitutionally vague law (meaning: they won't).

You forgot the word *yet*

And really i was not talking about CO only. You can see this in other states. Give it time, and all those pro 2nd A cops will bust people because that is their job. Then we will get the usual excuses, im Pro-2A! Not my fault, i was just following orders. Don't blame me blame the politicians. Law is the Law. Blah Blah Blah

Because they're a subsection of the public that should be afforded the opportunity to be on equal footing with those who break the laws. Since laws say that such and such is illegal, and criminals don't obey laws, then they will acquire that which is illegal and be at a greater advantage than those who would confront them. Case in point- N. Hollywood Shootout: Bad guys are armed with assault rifles (yes, real assault rifles- full auto), police are armed with pistols and shotguns- obviously outgunned. As such it became department policy to meet the threat and put LE on equal footing, so all LAPD patrol units had .223 rifles assigned to them. Best tools for the job, so they can do their job effectively. As much as loss of life is terrible, no matter who it is, shouldn't those more likely to confront criminals have a factor that mitigates risk as much as possible? Even if we're not able- due to stupid, unconstitutional laws- then why basically put everyone at risk? I don't expect you to understand my viewpoint or opinion on this, I'm simply trying to explain that we, normal everyday folks, do not go out of our way to confront, detain, or otherwise stop violent, aggressive criminals, it's discouraged. But LE does, and by denying them what we're unjustly denied for the sake of principal (or so you can get them to start petitioning those who didn't listen to OUR grievances) only creates a greater and unnecessary risk for their job. We entrust LE with enforcing laws, and arresting those who break the law... but f**k them, they can't have the equipment they need to do the job because we have been hamstrung by our legislators. Sounds more like jealousy than justice to me. YMMV..

You are on a roll. Yea forget the principle if it creates a risk to some subsection of people. Sure. OK Got it. Last time i checked, cops are not conscripts. Dont like that you must be armed as everyone else, too bad. Dont take the job or quit. Oh and that part in red, well i guess we will just forget about those thousands and thousands of times non cops do exactly that which you say they do not.

And here we have another excuse. You are all just jealous. Sure Uh-huh.

There's the ticket... blame the lawmakers, not those who enforce them. In that thought line, the recall elections are a go for Morse and Giron! So we're stepping in the right direction. Sadly, I don't see these laws being overturned in time for me to get some Magpul AK mags for Christmas...

I guarantee you. People who are busted over bullshit AWB laws or mag restrictions laws or other gun laws, will not be busted by the lawmakers. They will be busted by the cops who volunteer to do so.

I do find it a bit amusing, or perhaps telling that you do mention you are conflicted in a post, but you resolve your conflict, not by relying on a a principle which you say you support, but rather by carving out a more equal then others exception to a sub-group in which you hold an affinity for.

*shurg* Whatever allows you to sleep at night i guess

[Ronin13]

I do find it a bit amusing, or perhaps telling that you do mention you are conflicted in a post, but you resolve your conflict, not by relying on a a principle which you say you support, but rather by carving out a more equal then others exception to a sub-group in which you hold an affinity for.

*shurg* Whatever allows you to sleep at night i guess

You misunderstand my words- let me explain simply- I don't support or defend the idea that sworn peace officers are more or less equal than the rest of us, but it would appear, in the eyes of lawmakers, that they should be exempt. I'm only pointing this out as this is the way it is. I was only stating that it's by no fault of LE in being exempted from some anti-2A laws, they don't write policy, they enforce it- but yes I agree they could be more supportive of the cause by being vocal in the opposition to these laws. Some can't, due to their command being appointed (rather than elected) by these liberal tools. Done with this argument now... And I sleep just fine, thank you, no coffee after 7.

[Gman]

The government doesn't rule over us. It receives any power by the grant of the people. I see nothing in the Constitution that says the people are subordinate to anyone.

Those in government need to learn there are consequences to their actions. They sure don't seem care if it's the people, including those that wear a badge, that are victims of their actions. I keep seeing that this is choosing sides as LE has increased risk. With the laws that are being passed, every one of us is at increased risk. If those of you in LE don't like those risks, maybe you need to change careers. If government can't find people to enforce their laws, maybe they'll have to change their ways.

If the pro-2A manufacturers bend over and don't take a stand against those infringing the rights of the people, where does that put them? They're sure not standing with us, the people, but are enabling those that want to stand over us.

To our government: I'm a law abiding citizen. Stop punishing me for things I haven't done.