Spikes Tactical - Updated Policy for State and Local Law Enforcement Agency Sale

[lowbeyond]

Please go re-read what I wrote... "When ordered by superiors" not swear. Did you not see that I said most are FOR our 2A rights, regardless of what agenda politicians have. Also, that's a mighty sweeping statement "part of the system encroaching our rights." They swore an oath to support and defend the constitution. I take it you're unfamiliar with that oath, otherwise you'd know that. They don't make decisions anymore than you and I do, it's the politicians, not those who are entrusted by the public to maintain order, who should be blamed/punished.

Bullshit. They choose to enforce gun laws. Is someone sticking a gun at thier head when they bust someone for a 16 round mag ? I doubt it. You cannot be for the 2nd A and enforce anti-2nd A laws.

Except when it's written into the law that they're exempt- at no fault of their own.

Bullshit. You can bet every LE execmption in some gun law was asked for by the cops. Just look at NY for example.

[Ronin13]

Bullshit. They choose to enforce gun laws. Is someone sticking a gun at thier head when they bust someone for a 16 round mag ? I doubt it. You cannot be for the 2nd A and enforce anti-2nd A laws.

Bullshit. You can bet every LE execmption in some gun law was asked for by the cops. Just look at NY for example.

Name one time that someone has been busted since July 1.... Oh that's right, you can't. And I don't see too many cases of people even being popped in Denver City/County for having "hi-cap" mags either. We are still talking about CO, right? Because DPD notwithstanding (as I don't know anyone on that department), all the LEOs I know personally are pro-2A and would exercise great discretion in the enforcement of any constitutionally vague law (meaning: they won't).

[muddywings]

maybe the guys on the line will start bitching to their bosses and we'll get some of the city police chiefs joining the elected Sheriffs

edit: or maybe the line guys will bail on the chiefs that are not 2A and go work for a pro 2A Sheriff. Ronin, totally get where you are coming from the though.

[Rabid]

Except the police are not responsible for the safety of the individual citizens (IE: you and I). See Castle Rock v. Gonzales. Ergo, I'm responsible for my own safety. So I should be able to be well enough equipped to meet that threat.

^^^This^^^
The police have no reason to be better armed then i am because the responsibility to protect my self falls solely on myself. To me the people that rely on the police to come save the day are just awaiting their Darwin award.

[Ronin13]

^^^This^^^
The police have no reason to be better armed then i am because the responsibility to protect my self falls solely on myself. To me the people that rely on the police to come save the day are just awaiting their Darwin award.

I never said the Police are akin to our own private body guards (that's why I carry)... but they do carry guns for their own protection... don't get me wrong, I think we all- law abiding folk and police alike- should be armed commensurate to what WE, as the individual, decide is adequate for our own protection, not some fucking bureaucrat in NY or Downtown Denver.

[Rabid]

I never said the Police are akin to our own private body guards (that's why I carry)... but they do carry guns for their own protection... don't get me wrong, I think we all- law abiding folk and police alike- should be armed commensurate to what WE, as the individual, decide is adequate for our own protection, not some fucking bureaucrat in NY or Downtown Denver.

As long as these laws are in place i believe the police should abide by them too. To give the LEO community an exception shows me that they are seen above the law. I know you are not arguing the laws are BS but at the same time you are implying the LEOs are above the law because they have to protect them self's, well as the courts have shown i have to protect myself too. To say LEOs may have a higher frequency to need a gun so they need the best weapons at their disposal elevates them to paramilitary status.

[alan0269]

Wasn't the 2nd amendment put there to insure that the citizens were able to defend themselves from the government/state? I don't understand how anyone that claims to be pro 2A can also support the thought that the government/state/agents of/etc should be able to purchase items such as "high capacity" magazines while the citizens are not allowed to do so. How can the average citizen that has minimal training be expected to defend themselves with a 10/15 round magazine when it is expected that someone who has training in this area will have the need to have a "high capacity" 17/20/30/?? magazine to do the same?

The legislation in Colorado used the Aurora theater shooting as one of their main justifications for the recent laws, but police officers (Christopher Dorne) and military personnel (Nidal Hasan) have "snapped" and shot people as well - wouldn't the stress the police and military are under be justification that they would be more prone to acting out in this manner than the average citizen? I am by no means a police basher (I have both family and friends in law enforcement), in fact I've been outspoken many times against bashing others have done here and on other boards, but I don't feel it can be justified that they would need higher capacity magazines than you or I - note I'm not saying they don't have a need/use for them, just that the average citizen should have the right to defend himself/herself with the same. I fully support the decision Spikes has made, hopefully when more companies do similar the government will stop infringing on the rights of the citizens.

[mutt]

Laws need to apply to everyone equally. Granting LE an exception to gun laws creates an elite class that has no incentive to fight these kinds of unconstitutional laws since they are unaffected. What's good enough for the common citizen is also good enough for a cop. If I "don't need" more than 15 rounds to protect myself and my family, then neither does a cop. Maybe if everyone was equally affected we'd have more voices speaking against these garbage laws.

And just because LE hasn't busted anyone in this state for mag sizes and what not doesn't mean it won't happen. This type of tyranny takes time to take hold in the hearts and minds of our overseers. I'm sure no one in NY, NJ, CA got busted initially when they passed their shit laws way back when. Look at them now. Countless lives in those states have been ruined for possessing an aluminum or plastic box that has been deemed illegal.

Never count on people to keep doing the right thing when they are given financial incentive (a pay check) to do the wrong thing. I fully support companies like Spikes that haven chosen to pick a side and take a stand.

[Ronin13]

As long as these laws are in place i believe the police should abide by them too. To give the LEO community an exception shows me that they are seen above the law. I know you are not arguing the laws are BS but at the same time you are implying the LEOs are above the law because they have to protect them self's, well as the courts have shown i have to protect myself too. To say LEOs may have a higher frequency to need a gun so they need the best weapons at their disposal elevates them to paramilitary status.

You completely missed my point. Unless you're implying that we all have the potential to be vigilante posses... I'm simply pointing out that we do not go out confronting the threats in our society on purpose (unless you're Batman), police on the other hand do. Thus it can be expected their need to be armed to meet the threat. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's fair, I'm only pointing out the logic on that. Sure I honestly believe it would aid in making them no more exempt than a school teacher, but that just isn't the way the world works- unfortunately.

[Rabid]

You completely missed my point. Unless you're implying that we all have the potential to be vigilante posses... I'm simply pointing out that we do not go out confronting the threats in our society on purpose (unless you're Batman), police on the other hand do. Thus it can be expected their need to be armed to meet the threat. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's fair, I'm only pointing out the logic on that. Sure I honestly believe it would aid in making them no more exempt than a school teacher, but that just isn't the way the world works- unfortunately.

No need to be a "vigilante posses", every time the LEOs are called to threat a citizen was in the same situation minutes before the LEOs arrived. To allow the LEOs to have more fire power then us just makes them above the law.