NAGR spends more than every gun group combined on lobbying

[Bailey Guns]

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/...uence-spending

Pro-gun group dramatically ups influence spending

Key opponents of gun control and proponents of immigration reform invested unprecedented amounts lobbying Congress this spring, bucking a downward trend among many of the nation’s largest companies and nonprofits,newly released records show.


The Virginia-based National Association for Gun Rights spent more than $3 million from April through June to advocate against dozens of firearm-related bills and amendments. That’s nearly four times the second-quarter lobbying expenditures of the better-known National Rifle Association, which itself spent a near-record $840,000 during the year’s second quarter....

Not sure if this is just quoted from an article or authored by Dudley Brown. Either way, it seems to me anyone reporting on this should know that the NRA doesn't lobby anyone. They can't.

The NRA/ILA (Institute for Legislative Action) is the lobbying arm of the NRA. Yes, it's a technicality but an important one, especially to those who are uninformed. It seems, once again, Dudley is using a divide and conquer approach in an attempt to bad-mouth the NRA.

I, too, tend to support pretty much ANY pro-gun group. But I'm also sick of Brown's constant bashing of the NRA...even when he means the NRA/ILA. RMGO no longer gets my support for this very reason.

[Bailey Guns]

Well said Bert. Dudley, you paying attention?

I think the more appropriate question is, "Dudley, do you care?" And I think we already know the answer to that.

[Dave]

I've donated to NRA, NRA/ILA, RMGO, NAGR and the Morse recall effort over the last year and only RMGO/NAGR didn't send a real thank you email. All the others sent at least an email that just said thank you and how my donation was going to be used, and NRA/ILA sent me a mini multitool even though I checked the box for no gift. Dudley's organizations sent me an email that said thank you in the first paragraph and the next paragraph of the same email was asking for more money. At least give it a week or so after a donation before you start begging again. I know it was only $50, but it was all I could do at the time. Never got the promised PMAG from RMGO either.

[RMGOdirector]

Wait till you get 5-10 emails a day from them.

Get serious: You don't get 5-10 emails a day from RMGO. Nor NAGR.

During a HOT fight (like this year's Colorado legislature) we'll send one per day for a week, to keep you updated. But in a normal week, RMGO sends 2-3 per week, max.

NAGR sends 3-4 per week.

And when RMGO sends out 1 a week, people complain that they don't know what's going on.

[RMGOdirector]

Notice that I posted this article, and didn't ask for money.

Btw, the lobbying report in the article IS talking about NRA/ILA.

If illustrating differences with the NRA (and ILA) offends you, yes, you shouldn't be on RMGO's e-mail list. We'll tell it like we see it every time.

[BPTactical]

You know, now that I am a bit more awake and the thought process is starting to kick in, things need to be done by LOCAL Pro2A organizations AT A LOCAL LEVEL that will shed a positive light on firearm owners.
Relatively simple things that there is NO WAY the message can be misconstrued.
Sponsor a Poker Run, Carshow or similar where the proceeds and donations are donated to the Aurora victims or similar.
Offer firearm awareness and safety classes for educational institutes at all level, even community colleges and the like.
God forbid another incident occurs but if it does, be just as vocal as the antis in decrying unwarranted violence against innocents.
Right now would be a great time to come out in support of the recall campaigns and show the REAL reasons for the recall, not as much the infringement of our rights, but rather that Morse and Giron (along with the rest that supported the agenda) refused to hear the voices of their constituents and Sheriffs and did not legislate in a fair and objective manner.
How about a message,publication or similar that illustrates the positives of firearm ownership.
Its not about the money. Its not about attacking and bitching about "Our Rights". Those things are easily dismissed by the Antis.
You need to work on "The Human Element". That's why the Antis are so successful at their message.
Fight smarter WITH other organizations instead of trying to play one upmanship.
We all have a common goal, work as a well oiled team to achieve that goal.

That's the only way to compete against a well oiled team like they are.
They got "game".
Do you?

[RMGOdirector]

Dudley only comes on here when he needs money.

Actually, if you look at my posts, a great portion of them are responding to questions from a small group of naysayers. I could ignore, but will address specific questions head-on.

Most of the threads I start have to do with something purely political.

Most of the naysayers have me at a disadvantage: they don't list their real name, so they are immune from criticism or accountability. I could have done that originally, but prefer to be open about who I am and what I think.

[RMGOdirector]

Sponsor a Poker Run, Carshow or similar where the proceeds and donations are donated to the Aurora victims or similar.
That's the only way to compete against a well oiled team like they are.
They got "game".
Do you?

Or, perhaps, train school teachers for free?

Or provide scholarships?

I have a million good ideas, as I'm sure everyone here does. I have some bad ones, too. But you can't run with these ideas if you don't have the time/talent/money.

[RMGOdirector]

Never got the promised PMAG from RMGO either.

Since I don't know your full name I can't check to see what happened. You're welcome to e-mail office@rmgo.org the info and we'll see. But we send out regular thank you's and member cards.

If you were promised a pmag in a promotion and didn't receive it, we'd have to rectify that in another way now that the ban is in effect.

[sellersm]

You know, now that I am a bit more awake and the thought process is starting to kick in, things need to be done by LOCAL Pro2A organizations AT A LOCAL LEVEL that will shed a positive light on firearm owners.
Relatively simple things that there is NO WAY the message can be misconstrued.
Sponsor a Poker Run, Carshow or similar where the proceeds and donations are donated to the Aurora victims or similar.
Offer firearm awareness and safety classes for educational institutes at all level, even community colleges and the like.
God forbid another incident occurs but if it does, be just as vocal as the antis in decrying unwarranted violence against innocents.
Right now would be a great time to come out in support of the recall campaigns and show the REAL reasons for the recall, not as much the infringement of our rights, but rather that Morse and Giron (along with the rest that supported the agenda) refused to hear the voices of their constituents and Sheriffs and did not legislate in a fair and objective manner.
How about a message,publication or similar that illustrates the positives of firearm ownership.
Its not about the money. Its not about attacking and bitching about "Our Rights". Those things are easily dismissed by the Antis.
You need to work on "The Human Element". That's why the Antis are so successful at their message.
Fight smarter WITH other organizations instead of trying to play one upmanship.
We all have a common goal, work as a well oiled team to achieve that goal.

That's the only way to compete against a well oiled team like they are.
They got "game".
Do you?

This has been my 'beef' with ALL pro-2A orgainzations for years!! Where has the "pro-gun" 'indoctrination' been for all these years? There's been plenty, and I mean PLENTY of anti-gun indoctrination from the other side forever. Where are the stories, media outlets, photos, etc. from all these 2A organizations? Every time there's an anti-gun story, there should be five more pro-gun stories! Instead, all we get are 'lobbyists' and pleas for $$$! Almost every school has an anti-gun policy, zero tolerance, etc. Where'd that come from? Extortion from the administration by withholding $$$ if you don't comply, etc. Where are the "pro gun" tolerance policies? Where are the "gun accepted here" zones? How well publicized are they? etc. etc. etc.

We are our own problem, sometimes, because most conservatives just want to be left alone to live their lives in freedom. I think those days are gone. Time for the pro-2A orgs to all 'get along' and fight together. If you study history, you'll see just how well connected, organized and long-living the "antis" are! Their agenda will span multiple generations and be planned out for decades and decades. Just one example? Agenda 21. Started well before the 80's when they had the public conference in Brazil. Now fast-forward to today: it's in most school districts and in every 'planned community'!! It's insidious, spreads like cancer. We need to be the radiation!!