NAGR spends more than every gun group combined on lobbying

[RMGOdirector]

...doesn't address the issue of supporting (or not) the local CO fight! I can see your point, and that's fine. However, I"m suggesting we fight the LOCAL "policy makers", especially when we know they're headed to DC after this 'stop' in CO!!!

I have duties in both places, and frankly, in State Legislatures around the country. I was down at the Capitol dozens of times this year, though I'm not the day-to-day, face-to-face lobbyist for RMGO (Joe Neville did that for us this year).

(Side note: anyone who tells you lobbying only happens in the Capitol is either lying to you, is a fool, or both. Putting pressure on politicians IN THEIR DISTRICTS is the only real way to change their vote on controversial issues).

One of the reasons RMGO is hiring is because my duties with NAGR are growing (we have 52+ staff members). For that reason, I took a pay CUT for RMGO in 2013, and anticipate I'll be handing more and more duties to others.

You suggest we fight local policy makers, and I agree wholeheartedly. It's why we spend a lot of time on campaigns (via our PAC and IE committee).

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Let's see a link to the Guidestar for RMGO...

I have duties in both places, and frankly, in State Legislatures around the country. I was down at the Capitol dozens of times this year, though I'm not the day-to-day, face-to-face lobbyist for RMGO (Joe Neville did that for us this year).

(Side note: anyone who tells you lobbying only happens in the Capitol is either lying to you, is a fool, or both. Putting pressure on politicians IN THEIR DISTRICTS is the only real way to change their vote on controversial issues).

One of the reasons RMGO is hiring is because my duties with NAGR are growing (we have 52+ staff members). For that reason, I took a pay CUT for RMGO in 2013, and anticipate I'll be handing more and more duties to others.

You suggest we fight local policy makers, and I agree wholeheartedly. It's why we spend a lot of time on campaigns (via our PAC and IE committee).

Quit ignoring the man's request!

Sent from my teepee using smoke signals.

[RMGOdirector]

I'm trying to find the same link. It won't pull up via RMGO's EIN, either. I've put in an e-mail to Guidestar to ask, as that is a new problem.

Also putting up a page to link to all our 990 filings (since creation of the group).

[Ronin13]

I wonder if I'm on Dudley's ignore list... He hasn't addressed my concerns...

[RMGOdirector]

What I care about is the fact that you won't even entertain the idea of putting aside petty squabbles with the NRA and other groups, and figuring out a way to unite, and defeat these elitist, anti-constitution hacks. We are losing, and despite your narcissistic perception of reality, it's partially because of attitudes like yours.

I have addressed this, directly. When a politician or organization endorses gun control, we call it out -- you're a big boy, and can make up your mind if you care.

Did you care that Gottlieb (SAF/CCRKBA) claimed (on video) to have written Toomey-Manchin? I do. You may not, but I do.

When a group endorses anti-gun politicians (Harry Reid, or to strike closer to home, Congresswoman Betsy Markey), we'll say something. And yes, it will ruffle feathers.

Right now the NRA is running commercials against Sen. Joe Manchin in West Virginia. Good for them -- so are we. We're on the same side (now, anyway -- we didn't give Joe Manchin an A+ rating, either), and don't squabble about it.



I've heard too many make wild claims about where money is spent. That was my reason for showing a news report (not my words) on an official federal filing that shows what NAGR spent opposing gun control in Congress.

The Colorado Sec. of State and/or Colorado legislature doesn't require or even have the same type of filings in this state. But if it did, you'd see that RMGO (which is admittedly much smaller in numbers and $ in this state) spent DRAMATICALLY more than the NRA did in Colorado, both this session and previous sessions.

Go to the Sec. of State website and see if you can find another pro-gun political committees (PACs, if you will) in Colorado. Maybe some formed recently, but RMGO PAC has been the ONLY pro-gun PAC (which gives direct donations to and against candidates for office) in Colorado for many years.

Ronin, if I can paraphrase your point, it's that RMGO doesn't play well with others. Mea culpa. We DEFINITELY don't play the standard old politics as usual.

We play well with the conservative, pro-gun team. No one on this forum will or can debate that.

Gun control passed the Colorado legislature for a number of reasons, the chief of them being that EVERY middle of the road GOP candidate lost in 2012. All of them.

And all of RMGO PAC's candidates, save one State House seat (McConnell), won. That swung control of the House to the Dems.

If you want to blame me/RMGO for that, I'll plead guilty to not recruiting enough candidates for office (the toughest part of my job).

[275RLTW]

We play well with the conservative, pro-gun team. No one on this forum will or can debate that.

Apparently not or this thread would have stopped after your 1st post...

[HBARleatherneck]

We play well with the conservative, pro-gun team. No one on this forum will or can debate that.

he means they play well with anyone who doesnt question them or their spending. like most politicians.

[RMGOdirector]

he means they play well with anyone who doesnt question them or their spending. like most politicians.

You obviously aren't involved in politics -- there's PLENTY of questioning from our allies and friends. And debate. And plenty of politicians who question RMGO.

But, ask the most pro-gun legislators what they think of RMGO. HBAR, since you live in Weld and you seem to asserting you know politics (correct me if I'm wrong), go ahead and call State Sen. Scott Renfroe (who has carried almost half of the gun bills in his 7 years in the legislature) and ask him what he thinks of RMGO. He's a Life Member.

Or ask State Reps. Steve Humphrey, Lorie Saine, Perry Buck, or Sen. Vicki Marble (while we're staying in Weld). Or our Sheriff, or DA.

Again, I don't know you, but I'll take those names as endorsements of our program over yours any day -- not because they are politicians, but because I KNOW what they do.

And, we're growing dramatically. Plenty of members endorsing what we do.

[RMGOdirector]

Let's see a link to the Guidestar for RMGO...

Since I haven't received a reply from Guidestar, we put up this page, with our filings to the IRS.

http://www.rmgo.org/taxdocs

[Ronin13]

I have addressed this, directly. When a politician or organization endorses gun control, we call it out -- you're a big boy, and can make up your mind if you care.

When a group endorses anti-gun politicians (Harry Reid, or to strike closer to home, Congresswoman Betsy Markey), we'll say something. And yes, it will ruffle feathers.

Right now the NRA is running commercials against Sen. Joe Manchin in West Virginia. Good for them -- so are we. We're on the same side (now, anyway -- we didn't give Joe Manchin an A+ rating, either), and don't squabble about it.

Depends on what you call "endorsing" gun control. The NRA opposes gun control, same as you and I... again, you obviously don't get the point I'm trying to make- because you just ragged on them again! Your last sentence here: if you were on the same side as the NRA, why make all these posts on this forum and in your messages to public via email or interviews, trash talking your ally? The military taught me a great phrase I'll share with you now: "One team, one fight." I guess you just don't get it, do you? It would be like if we talked crap on the British during WWII (officially, not what soldiers said to each other, but if Eisenhower openly trashed Montgomery). We're in this together, and guess what the prize is for second place? It's not a very nice prize. Can we really afford to lose this war? Infighting will most certainly guarantee a loss. Humble yourself PDQ or move aside and let someone who can unite the gun groups against the anti agenda give it a shot. -that's my advice. Follow it, or don't, you've already proven my money and support is better placed elsewhere.