NAGR spends more than every gun group combined on lobbying

[RMGOdirector]

What I care about is the fact that you won't even entertain the idea of putting aside petty squabbles with the NRA and other groups, and figuring out a way to unite, and defeat these elitist, anti-constitution hacks. We are losing, and despite your narcissistic perception of reality, it's partially because of attitudes like yours.

I have addressed this, directly. When a politician or organization endorses gun control, we call it out -- you're a big boy, and can make up your mind if you care.

Did you care that Gottlieb (SAF/CCRKBA) claimed (on video) to have written Toomey-Manchin? I do. You may not, but I do.

When a group endorses anti-gun politicians (Harry Reid, or to strike closer to home, Congresswoman Betsy Markey), we'll say something. And yes, it will ruffle feathers.

Right now the NRA is running commercials against Sen. Joe Manchin in West Virginia. Good for them -- so are we. We're on the same side (now, anyway -- we didn't give Joe Manchin an A+ rating, either), and don't squabble about it.



I've heard too many make wild claims about where money is spent. That was my reason for showing a news report (not my words) on an official federal filing that shows what NAGR spent opposing gun control in Congress.

The Colorado Sec. of State and/or Colorado legislature doesn't require or even have the same type of filings in this state. But if it did, you'd see that RMGO (which is admittedly much smaller in numbers and $ in this state) spent DRAMATICALLY more than the NRA did in Colorado, both this session and previous sessions.

Go to the Sec. of State website and see if you can find another pro-gun political committees (PACs, if you will) in Colorado. Maybe some formed recently, but RMGO PAC has been the ONLY pro-gun PAC (which gives direct donations to and against candidates for office) in Colorado for many years.

Ronin, if I can paraphrase your point, it's that RMGO doesn't play well with others. Mea culpa. We DEFINITELY don't play the standard old politics as usual.

We play well with the conservative, pro-gun team. No one on this forum will or can debate that.

Gun control passed the Colorado legislature for a number of reasons, the chief of them being that EVERY middle of the road GOP candidate lost in 2012. All of them.

And all of RMGO PAC's candidates, save one State House seat (McConnell), won. That swung control of the House to the Dems.

If you want to blame me/RMGO for that, I'll plead guilty to not recruiting enough candidates for office (the toughest part of my job).

[275RLTW]

We play well with the conservative, pro-gun team. No one on this forum will or can debate that.

Apparently not or this thread would have stopped after your 1st post...

[HBARleatherneck]

We play well with the conservative, pro-gun team. No one on this forum will or can debate that.

he means they play well with anyone who doesnt question them or their spending. like most politicians.

[RMGOdirector]

he means they play well with anyone who doesnt question them or their spending. like most politicians.

You obviously aren't involved in politics -- there's PLENTY of questioning from our allies and friends. And debate. And plenty of politicians who question RMGO.

But, ask the most pro-gun legislators what they think of RMGO. HBAR, since you live in Weld and you seem to asserting you know politics (correct me if I'm wrong), go ahead and call State Sen. Scott Renfroe (who has carried almost half of the gun bills in his 7 years in the legislature) and ask him what he thinks of RMGO. He's a Life Member.

Or ask State Reps. Steve Humphrey, Lorie Saine, Perry Buck, or Sen. Vicki Marble (while we're staying in Weld). Or our Sheriff, or DA.

Again, I don't know you, but I'll take those names as endorsements of our program over yours any day -- not because they are politicians, but because I KNOW what they do.

And, we're growing dramatically. Plenty of members endorsing what we do.

[Ronin13]

I have addressed this, directly. When a politician or organization endorses gun control, we call it out -- you're a big boy, and can make up your mind if you care.

When a group endorses anti-gun politicians (Harry Reid, or to strike closer to home, Congresswoman Betsy Markey), we'll say something. And yes, it will ruffle feathers.

Right now the NRA is running commercials against Sen. Joe Manchin in West Virginia. Good for them -- so are we. We're on the same side (now, anyway -- we didn't give Joe Manchin an A+ rating, either), and don't squabble about it.

Depends on what you call "endorsing" gun control. The NRA opposes gun control, same as you and I... again, you obviously don't get the point I'm trying to make- because you just ragged on them again! Your last sentence here: if you were on the same side as the NRA, why make all these posts on this forum and in your messages to public via email or interviews, trash talking your ally? The military taught me a great phrase I'll share with you now: "One team, one fight." I guess you just don't get it, do you? It would be like if we talked crap on the British during WWII (officially, not what soldiers said to each other, but if Eisenhower openly trashed Montgomery). We're in this together, and guess what the prize is for second place? It's not a very nice prize. Can we really afford to lose this war? Infighting will most certainly guarantee a loss. Humble yourself PDQ or move aside and let someone who can unite the gun groups against the anti agenda give it a shot. -that's my advice. Follow it, or don't, you've already proven my money and support is better placed elsewhere.

[RMGOdirector]

Depends on what you call "endorsing" gun control. The NRA opposes gun control, same as you and I...

Really?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/21/the-nra-wants-an-active-mental-illness-database-thirty-eight-states-have-that-now/

[Ronin13]

Really?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/21/the-nra-wants-an-active-mental-illness-database-thirty-eight-states-have-that-now/

So you think that diagnosed paranoid Schizophrenics and other dangerous mentally ill individuals (with our already inept and broken mental healthcare system) should just be left unchecked to be able to purchase and have access to firearms? If James Holmes had been professionally diagnosed (that's addressing our broken MH system), and there were a system in place that limited/restricted those who had legitimate diagnosis of dangerous mental illnesses (we're not talking depression and PTSD here- no-shit mental issues that are proven to have led people to murder) you'd oppose it? The mental illness thing is a potential slippery slope, but it's also an issue that needs to be addressed, whether you accept that or not.

[RMGOdirector]

The unintended consequences of this mental health database are incredibly dangerous.

But if you want to support that kind of gun control, go ahead.

You aren't the first person to suggest we always be nice and never say anything about the NRA. Noted. YEARS ago. Not compelled, and not going to change, as I suspect you aren't. Guess we can chalk that up to a difference of opinion, and yes, please, don't join RMGO if that's your opinion. If that's a hanging point, we don't want you as a member.

Is there another issue to solve here? I don't see one.

[275RLTW]

Is there another issue to solve here? I don't see one.

YOUR attitude, ego, and ideals for starters...