Who here believes immigration reform means amnesty?

[Rabid]

Bread and circuses, with no enforcement the illegals will not participate, why should they. Will just stay illegal and under the radar.

Many states have/will pass laws to give them drivers licenses. They will scam electoral system to vote, Dems will get the votes, Repubs will get the cheap labor, lawyers will get the money from .gov.

Citizens and legit immigrants will get screwed.

Rabid, not trying to start anything, but not buying your friends story. Either details left out or the dads situation is unique and not commom.



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Do not worry i know your not starting anything any more then i was, yes i stirred the pot because its hard to understand what is going on when almost none of us have had to do it. His story is true and not all that uncommon in one form or another. I make fun of his for his career choice all the time and he reminds me time and time again that he grants no free rides or fast tracks to citizenship, he just helps them follow the letter of the law. Some how the people that come to this country legally with a work visa are held to a higher standard then the illegals crossing our southern border. I know a hand full of immigrants from European countries that are going through or completed the process to become citizens. Believe it or not all that can vote, vote republican and believe the illegals need to be deported. The thought that our and other state governments are incentivizing illegals is disgusts me, criminals should be treated as such and we can all agree on that. I doubt anything that passes the house would have that BS contained in it. Roberth the video is not talking about illegals sucking our system dry, and trust me i am just as appalled as you when it comes to that, it is just countering the idea that these immigrants are granted amnesty with immigration reform. They still have to go through the same process that everyone did before. It just giving more work visas so we can collect taxes on them with a one time chance to do it right, not to mention most will fail to complete the process anyway and be deported.

[roberth]

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Roberth the video is not talking about illegals sucking our system dry, and trust me i am just as appalled as you when it comes to that, it is just countering the idea that these immigrants are granted amnesty with immigration reform. They still have to go through the same process that everyone did before. It just giving more work visas so we can collect taxes on them with a one time chance to do it right, not to mention most will fail to complete the process anyway and be deported.

My interpretation of the video is much harsher than yours.

The intent of the video is to garner support for the poor illegal who almost has to !gasp! pay a whole $1000 for the privilege of attempting to become a citizen.

I read b/t the lines and correctly surmised that the reason the video talks about the fees is because they are attempting to show that the illegals are going to pay their own way, the reality is those fees and taxes will never be paid except by the net tax payers of this country. Most illegals will be net tax receivers for their entire stay in this country, legal or otherwise, simply because they aren't smart enough to do anything except dig ditches and create anchor babies. Illegals will never be the next Bill Gates or Henry Ford or anyone with any ambition beyond capturing the next government handout and the state will happily fill out the paperwork so the illegals won't have to learn English either.

[Rabid]

My interpretation of the video is much harsher than yours.

The intent of the video is to garner support for the poor illegal who almost has to !gasp! pay a whole $1000 for the privilege of attempting to become a citizen.

I read b/t the lines and correctly surmised that the reason the video talks about the fees is because they are attempting to show that the illegals are going to pay their own way, the reality is those fees and taxes will never be paid except by the net tax payers of this country. Most illegals will be net tax receivers for their entire stay in this country, legal or otherwise, simply because they aren't smart enough to do anything except dig ditches and create anchor babies. Illegals will never be the next Bill Gates or Henry Ford or anyone will any ambition beyond capturing the next government handout and the state will happily fill out the paperwork so the illegals won't have to learn English either.

You have managed to read so far between the lines you are confusing legal with illegal but i guess you have correctly surmised to do that some how. There are many legal immigrants that have contributed to your daily life more then you will ever know and i am not talking about the ones the serve you fast food or maintain the roads, i am talking about the ones the helped build most of the computer, technology and medical industry to name a few but if you are going to throw out Bill Gates and Henry Ford i will give you a few too. Andrew Carnegie, Nikola Tesla, Antonio Meucci and Alexander Graham Bell come to mind.
Let me help you understand legals have to go through the system and have to contribute like the rest of us or they get deported. Just think of how many tax dollars we are missing out on by not giving work visas. Once they are in the system we can weed them out much quicker then if they are here illegally and have no record of them. There is nothing in the bills i have seen tossed around that make it easy for illegals to live here, besides the one time chance to get in the system and risk deportation if they do not contribute. Most will fail to run through the system and depending how they did there is a good chance they will never get a chance to try again.
I am not going to bat for illegals here. I do not want them here getting a free ride and sucking on the system. Personally i think we should be able to uses the illegals for labor to pay off their debts to America before deporting them. If they do it legally, contribute back and can be weeded out at will is not a problem to me.

[roberth]

You have managed to read so far between the lines you are confusing legal with illegal but i guess you have correctly surmised to do that some how. There are many legal immigrants that have contributed to your daily life more then you will ever know and i am not talking about the ones the serve you fast food or maintain the roads, i am talking about the ones the helped build most of the computer, technology and medical industry to name a few but if you are going to throw out Bill Gates and Henry Ford i will give you a few too. come to mind.
Let me help you understand legals have to go through the system and have to contribute like the rest of us or they get deported. Just think of how many tax dollars we are missing out on by not giving work visas. Once they are in the system we can weed them out much quicker then if they are here illegally and have no record of them. There is nothing in the bills i have seen tossed around that make it easy for illegals to live here, besides the one time chance to get in the system and risk deportation if they do not contribute. Most will fail to run through the system and depending how they did there is a good chance they will never get a chance to try again.
I am not going to bat for illegals here. I do not want them here getting a free ride and sucking on the system. Personally i think we should be able to uses the illegals for labor to pay off their debts to America before deporting them. If they do it legally, contribute back and can be weeded out at will is not a problem to me.

Just because it is your thread and you don't have a leg to stand on doesn't mean you can suddenly go back in time and presume that Andrew Carnegie, Nikola Tesla, Antonio Meucci and Alexander Graham Bell were illegal aliens who made good. These were smart and ambitious men with great dreams who assimilated into the American culture, experience and capitalism and realized their dreams.

Today's illegal aliens have no such aspirations and probably cannot even spell dream in English.

[battle_sight_zero]

They still have to go through the same process that everyone did before. It just giving more work visas so we can collect taxes on them with a one time chance to do it right, not to mention most will fail to complete the process anyway and be deported.[/QUOTE]

BULLSHITT AND MORE BULLSHITT, why should breaking the law give these criminals a place in line over a Russian, African etc who is following the rules to get here. All this nonsense about immigration reform is strengthen a democrat party and getting cheap labor. Personally I worry for my kids down the road as they are competing with Jorge and Juanita who broke the law to get here. There are just to many repercussions to allow this garbage to happen. Build the damn fences and sent them back and then they can apply to get here just like the rest of the world has to.

[Ronin13]

BULLSHITT AND MORE BULLSHITT, why should breaking the law give these criminals a place in line over a Russian, African etc who is following the rules to get here. All this nonsense about immigration reform is strengthen a democrat party and getting cheap labor. Personally I worry for my kids down the road as they are competing with Jorge and Juanita who broke the law to get here. There are just to many repercussions to allow this garbage to happen. Build the damn fences and sent them back and then they can apply to get here just like the rest of the world has to.

Actually, they can't come back- because by deporting them they've been charged with being here illegally, thus they have a criminal record and are not welcome to be legal citizens... And I'm totally cool with this. Can't do it right the first time, then don't even bother trying at all.

[palepainter]

I think that even talking about it and proposing it is just drawing people in like flies on shit. The border must be busy these days.

[roberth]

The Cato institute should be ashamed of that video. It presents only one side and omits truths regarding the costs of that one position.

I spent around an hour getting my numbers and making the calculation and I am just one man. Cato no doubt has a team of researchers and they could have easily provided the data I found but Cato chose not to because doing that work would defeat the purpose of their FUCKING LYING, PIECE OF SHIT video.

[Great-Kazoo]

IMO the only real-hard core factual thing AMNESTY will do is increase the democrat voter rolls to the point D's will control EVERYTHING. Texas will be bluer than CA & NY combined, AZ will Publically hang Sheriff Arpaio to "right the wrongs" of racist persecution of hispanics, La Raza will sweep CO away. WY, ID ND, possibly NE KS and OK will be the only states with an inkling of sanity.

AMNESTY= the final straw of Americas Downfall. Then again all empires eventually fall.

[sniper7]

Another waste of our tax dollars. They can't get any other program right, what makes you think this one will end up any different.