Who here believes immigration reform means amnesty?

[Rabid]

I have a friend that is an immigration lawyer. He decided to become one after his dad was thrown into jail for a year when he messed up a yes or no question on his immigration papers and then deported back to Italy, fifteen years later he is still in Italy trying to get back with his family. Anyways i showed this video to my friend and he laughed. He told me you would have to be one lucky SOB if these were the only hurdles you had to jump through.

[roberth]

I think this Cato report missed a few things, this activity is commonly known as lies by omission.

The new bill IS essentially a free pass because of all the money that will be allocated to help illegal aliens during their application for citizenship not to mention the ongoing costs of education and health care for the illegal aliens currently residing here. The video does not address the need for border security nor does it discuss the criminal prosecution of people who hire illegal aliens.

I found this on the Heritage Foundation website - http://www.heritage.org/ specifically - http://www.heritage.org/issues/immigration

http://http://blog.heritage.org/2013...s-and-lawyers/

The bill establishes various grants to assist individuals seeking a change in immigration status. As highlighted in a Heritage Issue Brief, one such program channels $100 million to assist aliens seeking registered provisional immigrant status (amnesty) via a newly established nonprofit, the United States Citizenship Foundation (USCF).

And while $100 million is authorized for the first five years of this effort, the bill provides for such additional “sums as may be necessary for fiscal 2019 and subsequent years.” In other words, a blank check.
Another assistance program provides $50 million in grants to nonprofits to help illegals upgrade to legal status or change from provisional status to permanent residents. These grants can be used for legal assistance, thus committing the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to providing funding for lawsuits against itself.
A third program provides $120 million for a public relations campaign by advocacy groups to inform immigrants of their employee rights. All of these and other various programs total at least $300 million and will grow over time.

[Jumpstart]

Immigration "reform" = amnesty for multi millions of illegal aliens, again....

[roberth]

Immigration "reform" = amnesty for multi millions of illegal aliens, again....

Paid for with our confiscated tax dollars.

If the 11 million illegals actually paid the fees spoken of in the video that would be $11,000,000,000 in income, I chose to say the illegals paid both $500 fees.

There are an estimated 5.5 million children of illegal aliens enrolled in public education at an estimated cost of $12,300 per pupil which equals $67,650,000,000 per year.

11 billion is 16.26% of the total spent on education of these illegal alien children and that 11 billion is a one time fee, while the 67.65 billion is an annualized cost multiplied by 12 years equals 811,800,000,000 dollars (811.8 Billion).

I did not perform any calculation on their health care.

This webpage shows annual per student public education costs from 2009 at $10,695 per year, even in 2009 dollars the money we spend educating the children of illegals is ENORMOUS and we will NEVER be reimbursed.

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=66

[buffalobo]

Bread and circuses, with no enforcement the illegals will not participate, why should they. Will just stay illegal and under the radar.

Many states have/will pass laws to give them drivers licenses. They will scam electoral system to vote, Dems will get the votes, Repubs will get the cheap labor, lawyers will get the money from .gov.

Citizens and legit immigrants will get screwed.

Rabid, not trying to start anything, but not buying your friends story. Either details left out or the dads situation is unique and not commom.



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[palepainter]

I think that even talking about it and proposing it is just drawing people in like flies on shit. The border must be busy these days.

[roberth]

The Cato institute should be ashamed of that video. It presents only one side and omits truths regarding the costs of that one position.

I spent around an hour getting my numbers and making the calculation and I am just one man. Cato no doubt has a team of researchers and they could have easily provided the data I found but Cato chose not to because doing that work would defeat the purpose of their FUCKING LYING, PIECE OF SHIT video.

[Great-Kazoo]

IMO the only real-hard core factual thing AMNESTY will do is increase the democrat voter rolls to the point D's will control EVERYTHING. Texas will be bluer than CA & NY combined, AZ will Publically hang Sheriff Arpaio to "right the wrongs" of racist persecution of hispanics, La Raza will sweep CO away. WY, ID ND, possibly NE KS and OK will be the only states with an inkling of sanity.

AMNESTY= the final straw of Americas Downfall. Then again all empires eventually fall.

[sniper7]

Another waste of our tax dollars. They can't get any other program right, what makes you think this one will end up any different.

[roberth]

Something else Cato missed in the lies of omission they call an informative video.

http://www.heritage.org/research/rep...all-back-taxes

There are many serious flaws in the controversial Senate immigration bill, the Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act (S. 744). One such flaw is that it fails a standard of basic fairness to which immigration has long been held: It does not meaningfully require illegal immigrants to pay back taxes, interest, and penalties on all the income they earned while here in the U.S. illegally before being granted legal status.

However, the bill gives no instruction as to how the Secretary is to determine the tax liability of someone who has not filed a tax return. Many illegal immigrants work off the books for cash. They would not report that income to the IRS by filing a tax return. How the Secretary would collect back taxes on that unreported income is unclear.