Actually, that's the most interesting part of the discussion. I consider it an interesting thought exercise, and wish I had the time and resources to do a study on what it would take to "deport all of the illegals". Let's put the political and funding as givens, as those arguments aren't that interesting - can we get enough votes in the government to do it, and can we fund the activity? If we assume "yes" and "yes", then the fun begins.Originally Posted by Ronin13
Goal: Deport all illegals.
Basic premise: round them all up and ship them back to where they came from.
Step one: how to identify them? Let's assume 10 million illegal immigrants, just to make the math easy. That means there are around 300 million of us that aren't. Somehow we've got to pick out every 30th person in the US, prove that they are not here legally, then locate them.
Step two: locate and take them into custody. Given that IA's are less likely to be in any database than legals, we're forced to do things more manually. Do we throw a cordon around entire cities, or neighborhoods, then go door to door? Let's say our foolproof ID method works. Then we need enough resources to go get them and arrest them, and bring them to the detention centers.
Step three: We're going to need a lot of detention centers with staffing and resources.
Step four: Shipping them out. Assuming that we get them all, interview them, throw the wrongfully detained legals back, and identify through the language barriers where they came from, then we send the back. According to one report, 56% of illegals in 2006 were from Mexico. Let's say it's 50%, to make the math easier. We need to ship out 5 million people to Mexico. Can't afford to fly them, even in USAF assets, so we use mass transit like buses and cattle cars to take them from the centers in EL Paso, San Diego, Houston, NYC, etc. to the border. Let's say up and down the border we can send 100,000 a week. What happens when Mexico closes their side of the border? Just because we tell them these are Mexican citizens coming home doesn't mean that a) they believe us, so they'll need to do their own screening or b) screw you gringos, we can't feed those people you keep them. Pretty soon there isn't any room in No Man's Land to take any more people. And if they do get through or remain in border camps, they will be victimized by the predators in the group or waiting for them across the border. We'll need to be prepared to address the victimization of thousands of women and children. And that's just for the half that are Mexican. How do we get the other 2 million back to Central America, or back to Asia, Europe and Africa.
I'm a logistician at heart and by training, so that's usually the first way I look at a complex problem. It's not a bleeding heart view, it's a operations professional's view. And it also calls to mind related rates problems from early Algebra classes - as the pipe is emptying the pool at one rate, the pool is getting filled by another pipe at a different rate. That's going to increase the total deportation requirements, unless we find a way to turn off that input flow.
And that's without even considering the political, judicial and financial hurdles. The DEA just had to pay a kid $4M for screwing up an arrest. At a 1% error rate for false arrest and detention, even at $1M a pop that's $100B.
Agree with all of that. Given the position of English in our country, why ask for a national language? What would change? Would it be illegal to offer forms and tests in any language other than English, either by a private business or by a government at any level? I have no idea what the OP wants in a national language, or what restrictions would occur.
I have to address this. Did anyone say that? No. Just that it's very difficult to be a French speaker in Saudi Arabia, yet not illegal, thus here, if you don't speak English, it should be difficult for you to function in America. No one is saying make it illegal, just make it harder for those living here who don't speak the language. You're trying to turn things around... Look at Brazil, they have a big illegal immigration problem with immigrants from Boliva- Brazil speaks Portuguese, Bolivia speaks Spanish. Don't you think it rude to move to a country and refuse to speak the language of that nation? I feel like we've been on this topic before, so before anyone makes the fallacious claim that "we don't strictly speak English in America" I dare you to explain why our laws, our congress, and other forms of business in this nation are done in English...
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