Zimmerman part 2

[Bailey Guns]

Surprisingly, I haven't heard the usual nonsense from the usual suspects regarding this incident.

As a matter of fact, I did find this. Some common sense spoken by the organizer of a black activist group in New Orleans:

"Instead of turning against each other, we need to try and unite," he told WWL First News. "Focus on common issues of public safety."

Captain Black says at a time when people could be driving wedges, they need to be coming together.

"Recent events like the George Zimmerman acquittal... and other political issues promise to raise tensions within our community. This press conference, along with other upcoming efforts, are steps to relive, not inflame, these tensions," he explained.

He also raised concerns about a lack of good parenting.

"The young man was 14 years old, two o' clock in the morning, with a record of burglary. Regrettable that's not uncommon in our community," Captain Black explained.

SOURCE

[muddywings]

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/...incart_m-rpt-2

A 14-year-old boy remained in critical condition Friday after being shot in the head by a homeowner who said he thought the teen was trying to break into his house. But police said the teen was unarmed and did not pose an "imminent threat" when he was shot and have charged the owner with attempted second-degree murder.

The family of Marshall Coulter said the teenager could move only the right side of his body a little, but not the left. Doctors told the family that if Coulter survives, he would likely be severely brain damaged.
Coulter's family acknowledged the teen's history of burglary arrests but said he had never used a gun.
Police said that Coulter did not pose a threat to the homeowner, Merritt Landry, who works as a building inspector for the Historic District Landmarks Commission.

Police said the teen was near Landry's vehicle when he was shot about 2 a.m. Landry's friends said the vehicle was in the driveway behind a gate just a few feet from the house's backdoor.
According to an NOPD arrest warrant, Landry shot Coulter from 30 feet away, evidenced by the distance between the blood found on the ground and the single bullet casing outside Landry's house in the 700 block of Mandeville Street.
Landry told police that he approached the boy from his front yard, near his vehicle. As he grew closer, he said, the boy made a "move, as if to reach for something" -- possibly a weapon -- so Landry shot him, the warrant states.
NOPD Detective Nicholas Williams spoke with an unidentified witness who gave an account that differed from Landry's, though the detective did not specify how. Williams wrote in the warrant that Coulter was not trying to enter Landry's house and did not pose an "imminent threat" to Landry.
Judge Franz Zibilich set Landry's bond at $100,000. Landry posted a property bond and was released late Friday.
Landry's attorneys, Michael Kennedy and Miles Swanson, issued a statement after the arrest saying, "This incident is terrible, and Mr. Landry feels terrible about how things have occurred. Nevertheless, we remain convinced our client has done nothing wrong, and we are sure -- as facts come to light -- it'll become clear that Mr. Landry will be fully exonerated of any wrongdoing."
A spokesman for the City of New Orleans said Landry has been placed on emergency suspension without pay, pending the outcome of the criminal investigation.
Meanwhile, Coulter's mother would not leave his hospital bedside. His grandmother and older brother sat outside the family's home on Elysian Fields Avenue on Friday afternoon, grieving and upset.
Coulter is the seventh of eight children. Coulter's 23-year-old brother, David Coulter, said he had largely raised the children after their father died three years ago of stomach cancer. David said he and his mother did his best to keep Marshall out of trouble.
Marshall Coulter, who had been on medication for attention deficit hyperactive disorder, was awaiting trial for "stealing stuff," his brother said.
"He would steal -- he was a professional thief, sure," David Coulter said. "But he would never pick up a gun, not in a million years. He was too scared to aim a gun at the grass, let alone aim it at a person. No way. Before he'll ever pick up a gun, he'll be your friend first.
"He's still a little boy," the brother said. "Who pulls a trigger on a 14-year-old? What if it was your little brother or your sister? How would you feel?"
But Landry's neighbors and friends said they could understand where Landry's actions. They said that Landry, who has a pregnant wife and baby daughter, believed the teen was trying to break into his house.
"Merritt is a friend. I can't blame him one bit," Charles Hazouri said. "He's got a family. You've got to protect your own."
Hazouri, who owns property near Landry's house, said his surveillance cameras captured two juveniles riding BMX bikes up and down Mandeville and Dauphine streets around 1:44 a.m. One of the teens was wearing a blue tank top with white stripes; the other was wearing a light-colored T-shirt, Hazouri said.
Earlier in the evening, a different neighbor said the teen in the blue tank top had been biking around the area around 8 p.m. and the neighbor believed he was looking at different houses.
"I thought about calling the cops, but the last thing I want to do is racially profile a little kid who's just biking," said the neighbor, who spoke on condition of anonymity. The neighbor and Landry are white; the two teens are black.
Hazouri said his video, which he gave to NOPD detectives, shows the two teens talking in the middle of Mandeville Street outside of Landry's house. The video then shows the teen in the light-colored T-shirt walk his bike across Mandeville toward Landry's house. Then, the teen walks back out to the middle of the road before climbing over Landry's fence, Hazouri said. The other teen in the tank top stayed on the other side of Mandeville Street, Hazouri said.
Landry's large dog started barking, which alerted Landry to the teen being inside his yard, according to Landry's friends.
Hazouri acknowledged the potential for his friend to be in legal trouble, nodding to the recent controversial acquittal of George Zimmerman in the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Florida. Zimmerman's trial brought issues of self-defense shootings, racial profiling and Castle or "Stand Your Ground" laws to the national spotlight.
"Unfortunately, I feel bad about it because I hope it doesn't turn out to be another Florida deal," Hazouri said. "I'm a permit holder and a gun owner myself. You've got to stand up for your family."
The comparisons that many have drawn with the Trayvon Martin case disturbed Coulter's brother. "That's a different story," he said. "That was Trayvon, this is Marshall. This is a whole different world. This is my little brother's life on the line - I don't care about anything else."
David Coulter said he hoped Landry would be imprisoned for the shooting. "I want to see a prosecution, not somebody who gets out after a couple of years," he said. "I want to see the system do its job for once."
Marshall Coulter was a student at Renew School Network in the 2012-2013 school year, but his mother chose to send him to another school for the 2013-2014 school year because she wanted to separate him from his younger brother, according to the schools' chief executive officer, Gary Robichaux.
Renew School started last Monday, and Marshall Coulter's little brother has been in school all week. "It's just a really sad situation," Robichaux said between tears, "and we just wish he had been in school this week."

[muddywings]

from what I read, burglar inside fenced yard charges home owner=good shoot (IMHO).

30 ft distance, no weapon, no contact, TM/GZ trial, current political climate=conviction

sad

[Ronin13]

Like everyone else already stated- this is a clean shoot for the homeowner- kid jumping the fence and trespassing at that hour? My father used to always give out the advice: "Nothing good happens after midnight... Unless it involves a girl and the safety of your home or hers."

[RMAC757]

Like everyone else already stated- this is a clean shoot for the homeowner- kid jumping the fence and trespassing at that hour? My father used to always give out the advice: "Nothing good happens after midnight... Unless it involves a girl and the safety of your home or hers."

Most of us Ronin snuck out of the house at one time or another when we were young so that is kind of a non-issue. I snuck out all the time when i was kid ( this is probably why I ended up in military school ). Admittedly I wasn't an angel, though i never stole anything or vandalized someone's property with the exception of some toilet paper in a tree or two. Maybe times have changed or I lived in an area where no one one would of considered shooting someone at first glance on their property. Parenting isn't up to the kid. I had good parents and i still raised a little hell. The shoot appears to be in the commission of a crime so it was probably legal. I guess we all have a personal threshold on where lethal force is warranted.

[Chad4000]

yeah I thought on your property meant on your property... inside the house or not...

ya know,, theres a simple fuckin solution here... quit breaking into peoples houses...q

[RMAC757]

yeah I thought on your property meant on your property... inside the house or not...

ya know,, theres a simple fuckin solution here... quit breaking into peoples houses...q

I'm not disagreeing with you at all Chad. Just stating that life isn't always that linear. If a person can live with their decision and is comfortable with that degree of force escalation than so be it.

[Chad4000]

I'm not disagreeing with you at all Chad. Just stating that life isn't always that linear. If a person can live with their decision and is comfortable with that degree of force escalation than so be it.

my bad man.. I didnt mean to sound like I was pissy with you.. just annoyed by the criminal who's like "I know I was breaking in to somebodys house, by I dont think I deserved to be shot" mentality. (not on this board.. I mean like media etc)

[RMAC757]

my bad man.. I didnt mean to sound like I was pissy with you.. just annoyed by the criminal who's like "I know I was breaking in to somebodys house, by I dont think I deserved to be shot" mentality. (not on this board.. I mean like media etc)

[Inconel710]

One more reason "bumps in the night" have to be answered by a gun in one hand and a FLASHLIGHT in the other. While this may be a legal shoot, I wouldn't call it "good". Even if the homeowner doesn't go to jail, he'll get slapped with a civil suit. Win or lose, his life is still going to be ruined (like Zimmerman's).