So if there's something I learned....

[islandermyk]

I haven't had the opportunity to shoot in different landscapes (hills, valleys, etc...) besides the grasslands and ranges... aw man that has to be fun figuring that sh*t out... it has to be a head scratcher for sure.
<<<<This guy is Jelly

[Hoser]

I haven't had the opportunity to shoot in different landscapes (hills, valleys, etc...) besides the grasslands and ranges... aw man that has to be fun figuring that sh*t out... it has to be a head scratcher for sure.

Only one way to fix that. First Sundays in Raton...

[ChunkyMonkey]

... which made the learning experience more easy and comfortable

It does explain the carpet burn mark on yer elbows.

[islandermyk]

Only one way to fix that. First Sundays in Raton...

Sh*t... this is gonna require me to put in vacay time from work (which I don't have much left of) for something like this. I'll see what I can do for next month....

It does explain the carpet burn mark on yer elbows.

at least it ain't on the knees... all I'll hear is I'm doing it wrong

[Tim K]

Next month at Raton is the last match of the year. Burn that day of vacation!

I learned more about shooting in the wind in one match down there than in any 10 PD matches. The targets are much larger and much farther. It's the perfect learning environment for wind shooting.

[Tim K]

Next time you're out, shoot some groups where you stand up after every shot. When groups shot that way are the same size as groups shot without breaking position, you're done.

[C Ward]

Groups are for zeroing and load development . After that use the dot drill's , it is way more effective when working on shot placement because you shoot a new spot every time and have to move to a different aiming point . It is also more relevant because you only get one shot to make it right .

[Tim K]

Groups are for zeroing and load development . After that use the dot drill's , it is way more effective when working on shot placement because you shoot a new spot every time and have to move to a different aiming point . It is also more relevant because you only get one shot to make it right .

That was the point of standing up...

Which is harder, completely breaking position by standing or just shifting your point of aim 2"?

Further, the idea of using groups is so he can compare his performance without breaking position to his performance breaking it every shot. Dot drill would work, it's just harder to evaluate.

[C Ward]

Every time you change targets you should rebuild your position no mater how small the change because you need to adjust the natural point of aim . If you can consistently put your shot on a 1 inch dot at 100 your gonna be GTG then move to 1/2 inch dots . A side effect will be your group size shrinking when checking zero . Doesn't make sense to me to practice shooting groups , especially at 100 , when the end goal is to place 1 shot on target at distance in field conditions . Group shooting is all well and good during load development but after that the ammo is better spent elsewhere working on precision instead of testing the accuracy of the rifle .

[Madusa]

I thought precisions was consistency with all mechanical and physical, accuracy was putting the bullet on the spot. So shooting groups improves precision and the dot test improves accuracy? right.